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Charges filed against officer in raid (little girl killed accidentally)

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by steveksux, Oct 7, 2011.

  1. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

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    http://www.freep.com/article/20111005/NEWS01/110050444

    This was a cluster you know what from the start. Some teenage kid at a party store gives some guy a "look", so he goes home, gets a gun and kills the kid. Later swat goes to arrest him at his home, and this part gets murky, but as they gain entry, some contact is made with the grandmother, maybe a struggle, maybe just a bump, but a little kid sleeping on the couch gets hit with a round from the guy making entry. Turns out the guy was in the upstairs flat anyway, family lives in upper and lower.

    Got to be a nightmare for all involved, living with that.

    I'm not sure what to make of the charges. On the one hand, if there was an AD, most likely it was an ND, his finger was on the trigger when grandma collided with him if the gun went off. But coming in hot, with an armed and dangerous fugitive inside, maybe he just saw movement coming his way, mistook grandma for BG for a second, and contact made before he got finger off, bump directed muzzle toward girl, and that's what caused it? Don't know, my gut instinct is finger on trigger without target in sight= ND not just AD.

    This was the raid that was being filmed by TV crews also, so there's speculation they went overboard for the cameras. After all, no reason to send swat in after a guy that shot someone over the wrong "look", who's still presumably armed and reluctant to go to jail, right? Right??? :faint:

    Randy
     
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  2. Hollywood D

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    Why would a news crew know when and where something was going to take place, and why were they allowed to be close enough to film anything?
     


  3. bci21984

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    IIRC, the film crew was from on of the "swat" shows and just happen to be tagging along on the call.
     
  4. The article says they were with the "First 48". Terribly sad situation all around.
     
  5. mrsurfboard

    mrsurfboard The Anti-Glock

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    In my state, NJ, non LE is not allowed at the execution of arrest/search warrants.
     
  6. collim1

    collim1 Shower Time!

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    I hate to see any officer charged for an accident. However, anytime a child dies the public demands charges whether the person is LEO or not.
     
  7. Detectorist

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    Sounds like a nightmare. I bet the cop who shot the kid isn't feeling too good right now.

    Don't know what else the cops could have done different in this situation.
     
  8. Deployment Solu

    Deployment Solu Kydex Crafter

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    Sad that a life was lost.Hopefully the video will show what happened. Most people have NO idea what SWAT guys do and how difficult their jobs are. They make it look easy, most of the time. Too slow on the trigger and you are dead, too fast and bad thing happen. If grandma had ANY contact with the Officer or his weapon, then she is culpable in this shooting.
     
  9. Peace Frog

    Peace Frog ...............

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    Sad day when a innocent child is killed and I'm positive the officer feels horrible...

    If the little girls daddy hadn't been part of a homicide this never would have happened.If grandma had just let the SWAT Team in and do their job without interfering this wouldn't have happened.
    BTW the article mentions a civil suit if I remember correctly.Sad days for everyone involved.
     
  10. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    WTF is a ONE PERSON Grand Jury???????

    And how is that even remotely legal?
     
  11. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

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    They were invited/tagging along filming for I think it was "The First 48" or some other reality tv show.

    Randy
     
  12. TKOFaith

    TKOFaith The InTIMidator

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    This^^^

    I don't think one person is a Jury, let alone a Grand Jury!!:dunno:
     
  13. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

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    I wondered about that myself, a one person grand jury could indict half a ham sandwich and a cup of soup on the side... If one person is a grand Jury, what's a Petit Jury? Gary Coleman?

    Randy
     
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  14. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

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    I agree with this completely, contact redirects the weapon pretty easily. What I'm having trouble getting past is without finger on the trigger, the weapon doesn't go off.

    Obviously not swat here, but I have to believe the protocol is still finger off the trigger on an entry unless and until your sights are on a target. If you stack up on entry due to whatever reason, you'll be bumping each other, and if the weapon goes off, likely a team member is going to take a round.

    There's a lot of stupid decisions on a whole lot of people's parts that set up the situation and led to the moment where a single momentary lapse on the officers part results in this tragedy, but my guess is he'll be the scapegoat and get hung out to dry on this one.

    Randy
     
  15. Mayhem like Me

    Mayhem like Me Semper Paratus

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    Same here.. they are not allowed anywhere regular joe can't be.
     
  16. collim1

    collim1 Shower Time!

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    Also dont be fooled by the word grandmother. I seen plenty of 30 year old grandmothers in the projects. If she started a fight with the oncoming officers then I agree that she is responsible.
     
  17. Jeff82

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  18. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

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    The Lawyer claims he has seen a video NOT made by the film crew. Yet he has not produced the video. He also refers to the flash bang as an "Incendiary Bomb".
     
  19. BailRecoveryAgent

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    A woman that I served child support papers to a couple weeks ago was 28, I repeat, 28 years old, and she was home babysitting her 3 month old grandkid who belongs to her 14 year old daughter. The apple, it falleth not far from the tree sometimes.
     
  20. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

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    Yup, that's Geoffrey Fieger, if you're not familiar with him, he's the guy that was defending Dr Kervorkian years ago when he was doing his handiwork. Remember Dr. Death? The assisted suicide advocate?

    Randy
     
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