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Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by CA Escapee, Aug 9, 2012.
Good to hear.
I can't say I agree with the timing of Mapes' choice to open carry, but I am happy to hear that he was not punished for open carry in an open carry state.
Some people believe you should only exercise a right when it's socially acceptable.
How did he get made if he was concealing his weapon?
The charge, based on the article "arrested for possession of a dangerous weapon in a liquor or beer establishment"
Based on Handgunlaw: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/colorado.pdf
Carry in Restaurants that Serve Alcohol "Yes"
Is it possible for the officers to make a call in cases such as these to confirm the charges fit? Would it have helped any if the person being investigated requested a call to the supervisor, before being placed under arrest, if they knew their actions were not against the law?
BigDeeeeeeee - "Be safe only when it is socially acceptable" Yeah right! Let them believe what they want. Why carry anytime since it is not 'socially acceptable'.
He wasn't. He was open carrying.
He was OC as allowed in his state and as he had done in previous visits to the same theater.
Would I have done it, even if legal, at this particular time? No, I dont believe it was prudent. But Im aware its not about what I believe or feel is right. There are many things that other people do I believe is in poor taste, inconsiderate and even morally reprehensible, but they still have the legal right to do it.
I would imagine it would be a good thing to mention it to them to get it on the record. As it stands now Thornton PD has egg on their face.
I was astounded by the way the charges changed over time. I figured it was a case of the PD throwing as much mud at the wall as possible and hoping some of it would stick.
Off on a tangent, there's an organization in CA that is defending gun owners that are arrested, detained, etc. by the police when in the end all charges are dropped. (maybe after a criminal court case) Their tact is: 1. To get the attention of the city via a monetary settlement, 2. Pointing out to the PD just how poorly written the laws are, (good intentions don't make good laws,) and 3. Making their department spend time having their officers better trained in the laws on the books, thus saving money in the long run.
Ah. The ambassadors of our second amendment.
Let me pose a question. And don't read into it, don't infer more than I'm asking. Just mull this over.
When is the last time anyone heard a story about something POSITIVE coming from someone open carrying rather than concealed carrying?
My thoughts exactly.
Let's say we go back a few years and I pose the question.. when was the last time anyone heard a story of something POSITIVE coming from blacks or women standing up for their rights?
Perhaps I ask you to provide an instance where you went to the movies and didn't play with yourself in the parking lot, can you prove it?
Can anyone prove the signs and stickers around their house for their security systems are helping to stop burglers?
You don't REALLY hear when anything positive comes from CCW either. You do however, hear when someone goes on a shooting spree and noone is CC'ing or OC'ing to do anything about it.
I just think that OC incidents make the rest of us look like dumb extremists most of the time. I don't want the 2nd amendment scrutinized because a bunch of OC'ers don't know how to act and make everyone else feel uncomfortable. CC just makes more sense to me at almost all levels.
When was the last time you read about "John Doe open carried today and nothing happened. No one looked crosseyed at him and no cop shot him on general principle"?
There's a reason you only hear about the things that have some sort of out of the ordinary reaction to them.
I really don't give a damn if you OC, don't, like it or do not. I don't care. Your argument is not valid, though.
I don't disagree with any of the points stated above, but do seem to see attention drawn at times to OC'ers. I don't care about it per se, but just don't want it to affect gun rights in a negative way. I wouldn't do it, but that's just me.
Mr. Mapes has a CCW and should have CCed. He chose to OC at a Colorado theater, so he got the attention he deserved, IMHO.
Based purely on CO gun laws, he should not have been arrested, but I don't know the circumstances and actions that took place when he encountered the police.
My state doesn't allow CC at any venue where people assemble and pay admission. I assume that might apply to OC as well, but don't actually know for sure, since I never OC and haven't checked laws regarding it.