CCW: One in the chamber or not?

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by ArlenGunClub, Jan 24, 2013.


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  1. I stand corrected. It appears I rolled TWO ND incidents into one. Maybe that doubly proves my point. In both cases, gunowners were at fault for not exercising due care regarding their actions,either involving gun handling, or ensuring the condition of critical equipment. The key failures occurred between their ears.
     

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    #881 JohnnyE, Mar 27, 2013
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  2. Bless you.

    I know I have said over and over that in my opinion, how one carries, what they carry, or even if they don't wish to carry is entirely up to them... their choice, plain and simple. And I faithfully adhere to that. However, when people create a thread with the explicit purpose of hearing ideas, comments, and opinions from others on a topic, they should be prepared for just that. The folks who respond should also be prepared for a variety responses to not only the OP's post but their's as well.

    The problem I do have is this. The lack of civility that almost inevitably evolves on threads where there are hard held beliefs being challenged. Some people, for the life of them, just cannot seem to discuss something in an intelligent, rational, and civil manner. Another thing is almost certain introduction of responses by some people who believe themselves to be the be-all end-all to any related subject in the gun culture world. The self-perceived gurus, if you will. So it is hard to maintain one's composure at times when faced with this sort of onslaught when it should be an adult discussion.

    Now I just veered a bit from your post but I think with good reason. This thread has gone on for a lot of postings and pages and for such a simple topic. Guess that only confirms the visceral reactions of some of the responses and that opinions on this subject are deeply entrenched.
     

  3. Therein lies the rub. Sometimes, racking doesn't work out the way we'd like, and it's necessary to rack the slide a second time. Precious seconds can be lost.
     
  4. Yep get a hammer or have you considered a revolver?
    Bought the wrong gun for your mind set.
     
  5. Carry a revolver then. What a revolver doesnt have a safety either? Stick with a slingshot in your back pocket and a put a marble in front pocket.
     
  6. http://www.insidenova.com/news/crim...cle_baab1642-970c-11e2-8de3-001a4bcf887a.html

    For those who do not know, Tyson's Corner is a major shopping and office location that is one of the most exclusive places of its kind in not only The Washington, DC metro area, but in the entire country since Fairfax County, Virginia is the second wealthy county in the nation, surpassed only by Loudoun County, Virginia.

    Criminal attacks can take place anywhere at any time.
     
  7. That's certainly a C1 place to live. I agree.

    But there's also a C3 place to live where people don't even lock their front doors. I think people live in C1 places to make money to a point where they have enough to move to a C3 place. Some could never get out of C1 places. And some would buy the whole C3 island. LOL

    By and large, People's imagination is limited by what they see and swim in, days in and days out. Their words speak more about what they have to face daily. In that sense, none is wrong.
     
    #887 ModGlock17, Mar 28, 2013
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  8. IMO, planet Earth is now a C1 place and the only known official C3 place is found in La-La Land...
     
  9. PhotoFeller

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    Nice conversation. Good points.
     
    #889 PhotoFeller, Mar 29, 2013
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  10. Yes. Anyone who thinks different should look up the "BTK" killer. Bad **** has happened in good neighborhoods since the beginning of time.
     
  11. That is an awesome answer! My instructor told me that the only safety ANY gun has is your trigger finger... Dont want it to shoot dont put your finger on the trigger.
     
  12. I live in a metro area of a few million people. I see crime reports on the local news almost every night.

    I have never personally known of a crime (property or personal). No one I know has ever been a victim. Yes, I'm boring.

    Though crime can happen anywhere, most crime maps will show a clear pattern of those "C1" places you already know you should avoid.

    The whole world is not a C1 place
     
    #892 G-nineteen, Mar 31, 2013
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  13. Im very new to this forum and until I saw this thread I didn't even realize that people would even consider carrying a firearm without a round in the chamber ! I didn't come close to reading this whole thread but I can't imagine that there are very many people carrying this way.

    I mean what are these people doing that they are afraid they are going to accidentally discharge their weapon? This lack of confidence really makes me question whether they should be carrying a gun at all.

    I'm not trying to insult anyone that carries this way, to each his own but I was honestly surprised to see that this was actually a decision that people had to make.
     
  14. I believe you misread the reason why some CCW permit holders choose to carry C3. Speaking for myself it's not due to a lack of confidence in my ability to safely carry in C1, as I did carry C1 for most of the time I've had a permit and never negligently or accidentally discharged any of the firearms I own.

    Reading various threads on this and other sites I became acutely aware that quite a lot of gun owners --- many of whom I know have far more firearms experience than I do --- testified that they suffered an AD/ND incident, which has caused me to closely evaluate the when and where in my life carrying C1 outweighs carrying C3 in the risk/reward calculation.

    Yes, I know a violent crime can happen anywhere but in the totality of the issue the statistical probabilities of it happening involve a number of things, such as location, time of day, prevalence of alcohol/drugs, presence of known felons, etc ... As each of these facets increase or decrease the probabilities of encountering a violent crime rise or fall, in my understanding of the issue. And since I'm sure none of the gun owners intended for their AD/ND incidents to happen as long as I feel my immediate conditions call for C3 I'll for the present time continue to err on the side of safety.

    As I type this I'm sitting in the comfort of my home, doors and windows locked, an alert (albeit over-friendly) dog who barks at every unfamiliar sound, and motion lights at various points around the outside of the house. I feel quite safe having my pistol at the bedside in C3 condition. I do not spend the vast bulk of my life constantly in Condition Orange (based upon my staid routine) and I estimate the percentage of time I do is less than 0.01% of the time. In that slim percentage of time I am on elevated alert I am carrying C1. This does not mean I ignore my surroundings during my normal routine; it merely means that I feel I will have the extra second to rack the slide in most bad scenarios I envision.

     
    #894 unit1069, Mar 31, 2013
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  15. I always carry one in the chamber, my safety is the the trigger. Dont touch the trigger unless you plan shooting something.
     
  16. dwbG30SF

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    :agree:
     
  17. I always have a round chambered. There is no reason not to. I don't see any possible way for me to shoot myself unless its intentional suicide. Finger off the trigger unless you need to shoot someone or something.
     
    #897 Comedian, Apr 2, 2013
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  18. I carry one in the chamber everywhere I go. The only place my gun does not have a round chambered is when I'm at home. If someone decided to come in my house I'll have plenty of time to rack the slide and aim at the door.
     
  19. PhotoFeller

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    I carry 15 in my G19 mag, but the chamber is empty. The distance between the top round in the mag and the chamber is only about .5", so I almost carry C1.

    The following was posted on a blog about CC by an advocate for C3:

    "Now pay careful attention to what I’m going to say next: I might very well still be alive today because I carry in C-3. Why, you ask? Because I realize that I’m at a slight disadvantage; consequently, I’m always a little more apprehensive, a little more alert, and a little faster than I otherwise might be."

    I'd say paying careful attention to one's surroundings and avoiding trouble spots makes C3 with a Glock more acceptable to many.
     
    #899 PhotoFeller, Apr 2, 2013
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  20. vandros

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    It seems we have one misunderstanding that forces us to either talk past each other or feel like the other side is too stubborn/foolish.

    Here it is:
    C1 folks say: deadly threat can occur to anyone, anywhere, anytime. True.
    C3 folks say: some geographic areas (or occupations) are safer than others, and merit different levels of preparedness. Also, true.

    Both statements are not contradicting each other. The first, says there is a probability that anyone/anywhere might get attacked. The other one adds a nuance that such probability is higher or lower (depending on one's geographic area/occupation). Ignoring one or another statement might make us feel better about how we choose to protect ourselves, but might be counterproductive to developing the most rational approach to self defense.
     
    #900 vandros, Apr 2, 2013
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