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CCW in California... Not so good

Discussion in 'California Glockers' started by G36's Rule, Oct 11, 2008.

  1. G36's Rule

    G36's Rule Senior Member

    Dec 1, 2001
    Spring, TX.
    Sheriff begins taking away concealed weapons permits

    Hundreds of letters have been sent out advising current permit holders of impending revocation.
    Comments 83 | Recommend 137
    The Sheriff's Department has begun the process of revoking hundreds of concealed weapon permits across Orange County.
    This week, department officials confirmed that 146 letters have been sent out advising current license holders that their permits to carry firearms in public – called CCWs – are being revoked. There are currently 1,024 permit holders.
    "The Department has determined that your identified risk does not meet the good cause threshold as required under the new CCW policy based upon the information you provided. As a result of this determination, the Department's present intention is to revoke your CCW license," reads the form letter sent out this month.
    The letter, sent out under the signature of Captain Dave Nighswonger, advises current holders that if they feel that additional information should be considered they have roughly one month to provide additional good cause information for the department to consider before the revocation becomes final.
    This week, county supervisors grilled Sheriff Sandra Hutchens during her 120-day update on the reorganization of the agency about the status of the concealed weapons review.
    Hutchens acknowledged to supervisors that she had indeed tightened requirements for the permits but highlighted the fact that no current license had yet been revoked.
    But it seems unlikely that those who are getting the letters won't be revoked.
    "Most of them are not coming back with the information we need," said Nighswonger. "A lot of them are arguing the second amendment (to the U.S. Constitution)," he said.
    Nighswonger said many of the current revocations listed their reason for having a concealed gun as "avid shooter."
    That no longer qualifies under Hutchen's new standards.
    Under state law, a Sheriff has discretion to issue concealed weapons permits. And under the administration of former Sheriff Mike Carona – whose federal corruption trial starts on Oct. 28 – guidelines for issuing concealed weapons permits were loosened.
    Records reviewed by the Orange County Register show that concealed weapon permits soared under Carona, from 38 in 1998 to 468 the next year. By 2006, it was up to 1,400, a four-fold increase.
    When Carona took over in 1998, Orange County ranked 34th in terms of the numbers of permits granted. By 2006, Orange County was ranked number nine.
    However, the Register also found numerous instances where campaign donors received the permits. A Register analysis of Carona campaign contributions from 1996 to the end of 2001 shows that at least 95 contributors – who gave at least $68,000 - got licenses.
    Indeed, the federal indictment against Carona details one specific instance where a wealthy contributor was granted a license under questionable circumstances.
    Hutchens has said that connection prompted her to review the policies and tighten the standards.
    Her revisions, and the revocation letters, have enraged gun activists who are pressing county supervisors to take action.
    "There's a lot of business owners and a lot of gun owners that have had CCWs that have never met Mike Carona or contributed," said Greg Block, a Huntington Beach-based firearms instructor and activist.
    He and many activists suggest a different standard: "If you are not a convicted felon, you should be able to get able to get a CCW in California," Block said.
  2. tbhracing

    tbhracing Senior Member

    Apr 3, 2005
    G36's Rule- Do you feel better now?

    First- This is in Orange County only, not all of California as your title indicates. Thats all we need is another anti-Cali. thread in here.

    Besides, this is not the right forum to post this in. Some of you guys just wont give up.
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2008

  3. G36's Rule

    G36's Rule Senior Member

    Dec 1, 2001
    Spring, TX.
    Good lord... Don't get another one locked with your whining. I posted an article I saw, like everyone else does.
  4. tbhracing

    tbhracing Senior Member

    Apr 3, 2005
    No one is whining. Like the site's owner said- Give it a rest.
  5. GlockFish

    GlockFish Floyd

    Feb 22, 2002
    "Most of them are not coming back with the information we need," said Nighswonger. "A lot of them are arguing the second amendment (to the U.S. Constitution)," he said."

  6. wjv


    Jan 17, 2002
    Pacific NW
    Oh No! Not the second amendment! How prehistoric and uncivilized. . . .
  7. Southpaw69


    Dec 28, 2007
    CA CCWs are all up to the sheriff. We have some counties that are pretty much "shall issue" and some that are "may issue" and some that are no way in hell. Then it all changes when a new sheriff comes in. When it comes to firearm laws, CA deserves the verbal abuse it get's on here.
  8. Daynja


    Dec 23, 2004
    Any way you look at it, CA is one of the top 5 states for worst gun rights. I would argue worst, but you can NOT deny that it is in the top 5.

    I admire those that work to change that status. I won't go as far to say that CA is a lost cause. If only they were as passionate about gun rights as they are about gay rights. They're both social rights issues, I don't understand why they care about one and not the other.
  9. 12131

    12131 Monkeyboy CLM

    Nov 17, 2006
    God's Country (Texas)
    I see nothing wrong with posting the article. I don't know, some people get so sensitive.
  10. Clyde in CO

    Clyde in CO LOL WUT?

    Aug 7, 2002
    the Springs
    tbh, cali sucks. deal with it.
  11. Critias

    Critias Freelancer CLM

    Mar 31, 2005
    Cleburne, TX
  12. That about sums it up.......:wavey:
  13. slewfoot

    slewfoot Random Mayhem

    May 13, 2007
    S.E. Pa
    I prefer a system where more than one elected official calls the shots.
  14. Bogey

    Bogey The Mouth® CLM

    Sep 11, 2004
    Raleigh, NC

    Oh no.....
  15. kahrcarrier

    kahrcarrier FAHRENHEIT

    Jan 8, 2004
    Southern IN
    I believe most posters are attacking the various "systems" in California, especially the ones that seem to ride roughshod over gun rights.

    I don't believe they are attacking most Californians personally, especially the firearm owners and enthusiasts, but just the ones that dream up and perpetuate the anti-gun craziness that has a tendancy to spread to other States.

    California has some great things to offer; few people will deny that. The gun laws, in general, are sub-par compared to a lot of other States. I think few would deny that.

    We are all on the same side. Hopefully.
  16. Thunderhawk88

    Thunderhawk88 NRA MEMBER

    Sep 11, 2007
    So. Cal. Desert
    Yeah, and hopefully, those of us in the few states that lean more toward anti-gun can stop it inside our borders before it spreads.
  17. INJoker

    INJoker Simply Charming

    Sep 22, 2007
    ??? PM me. I'm curious. :cool:
  18. G36's Rule

    G36's Rule Senior Member

    Dec 1, 2001
    Spring, TX.
    I was not posting this so much to bash Cali as to make a point about "May Issue" states.

    You stated this is only in Orange County and that my title is misleading. My point being that it can happen in any county in Cali because it is a "May Issue" state.
  19. void *

    void * Dereference Me!

    Cali's gun laws suck, sure. And the fact that highly liberal populations in the SF and LA areas have a lock on the politics over the rest of the (mostly conservative otherwise) state sucks.

    But "Cali sucks" is an overstatement. There actually are good things about California, you know.
  20. CAcop


    Jul 21, 2002
    Part of the problem was Sheriff Carona handing out CCW permits to his buddies by saying they were reserve deputies but they not gone through the state required training. He could have handed them out without claiming they were reserves if he wanted to but he didn't. When there were abuses of the CCW and reserve status, such as one of his buddies brandishing a gun and claiming he was a deputy to get another set of golfers moving faster, it didn't help the CCW cause. That a Carona and a bunch of his close friends are now under indictment for a bunch of stuff.

    There is a lot of backstory mising from that article. Some good people are going to suffer because of Carona and the backlash against him.