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CCW & Guns In bars?

Discussion in 'Glockers of the Old Dominion' started by ISOM, Mar 27, 2009.

  1. ISOM


    Oct 7, 2008
    Has anybody heard if Gov. Kaine has VETOED the guns in bars bill?
  2. Aroooo


    Apr 26, 2008
    Northern VA
    apparently just today:

    Kaine vetoes death penalty expansion and guns-in-bars bills
    By Staff Reports

    Published: March 27, 2009

    Gov. Timothy M. Kaine today vetoed five death penalty bills and a bill that would allow someone to carry a concealed weapon into a bar or restaurants.

    "Virginia is already second in the nation in the number of executions we carry out," Kaine said in explaining his veto of the bills that would extend the death penalty.

    On the guns bill, he said, "Allowing concealed weapons into restaurants and bars that serve alcohol puts the public, the employees, and our public safety officers at risk. I take seriously the objections of law enforcement to this measure."

    Kaine also vetoed a bill that would allow localities to buy back guns, then sell them to dealers.

    The General Assembly will return to Richmond April 8 to consider the gubernatorial vetoes and whether to attempt to override them with a two-thirds vote of each house.

  3. Damn liberals, I cant stand Kaine. I am prety sure that the LEO's he is refering too must have come from a dream!
  4. Hydraulicman


    May 21, 2007
    I'm not sure how I feel about this. If i'm going to the bar I usually leave my weapon behind. if I'm not going to drink i might take it along but it's ok to do so in my part of town if you don't drink.

    I don't like going to bars as it is.
  5. Nicko


    Apr 13, 2007
    Virginia Beach, VA
    Vetoed again :faint:
  6. Abby Normal

    Abby Normal ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Mar 21, 2009
    Northern VA
    Here's what I know from yesterday's VCDL VA Alert email. It seems there is still a thread of hope for this year. Fortunately we'll be electing a gun friendly governor soon.


    Governor Kaine vetoed a host of guns bills, some for things that the bills don't even do!

    He thought he knew what they did, but he clearly didn't bother to actually read them.

    This would almost be comical if it didn't affect the safety of the public.

    Here are the bills he vetoed and his, er, logic in doing so, and my comments:

    SB 1035, Senator Hanger, repeals the restaurant ban. Governor says, "Allowing concealed weapons into restaurants and bars that serve alcohol puts the public, the employees, and our public safety officers at risk. I take seriously the objections of law enforcement to this measure." Baloney. The Governor orders the police to tell him they think allowing permit holders to carry concealed in restaurants, even if they don't drink, endangers the public, then he uses their coerced statement to justify what he was going to do anyhow.

    SB 877, Senator Martin, repeals the restaurant ban for retired police. Governor Says, "While it makes sense for current law
    enforcement officers to be permitted to carry their firearms when in such establishments, there is no compelling reason for retired law enforcement officers to have weapons in locations where alcohol is served." Well at least the Governor is consistent in his double-standard, that allows untrained Commonwealth Attorneys and their deputies to carry concealed in restaurants and drink, while denying anybody not on the government payroll the same right to protect themselves, not matter how trustworthy they have proven themselves.

    HB 1851, Delegate Lingamfelter, exempts active duty military from One Handgun a Month. Governor says, "The new exemption would apply to active duty service members, whether Virginia residents or not. Because holders of valid Virginia concealed weapons permits are already able to purchase more than one handgun per month, House Bill 1851 only extends the ability to buy more than one handgun a month to nonresidents or those Virginians unable to obtain a concealed weapons permit." What?!? Unable to get a permit or CHOOSE not to, Governor? The Governor must be related to Marie Antoinette, with his "let them eat cake" attitude toward our military. Shameful.

    SB 1528, Senator Cuccinnelli, allows for Internet-based training for CHP applicants. Governor says, "The state requires an applicant for a concealed weapons permit to take a written safety test to demonstrate that the individual understands how to use a weapon in a safe manner. Allowing the testing to be done online would weaken the ability of the Commonwealth to determine who is actually taking the test and open up opportunities for individuals to receive a permit under fraudulent circumstances with no guarantee that they can use a weapon safely." WHAT?!? There is NO requirement in current law for a written SAFETY TEST!!! Where did he come up with that? So he vetoed this bill based on a law that he just made up out of thin air. If there is any fraud going on, Governor, it is YOU swearing an oath to defend and protect
    the Constitution.

    HB 2528, Delegate Cole, requires that localities pass an ordinance before doing gun buy-ups. Governor says, "I veto House Bill 2528, which unnecessarily interferes with the operations of local governments. Specifically, the bill prohibits local law enforcement from choosing to conduct voluntary gun buyback programs and then destroying the weapons. Some localities have found this program to be effective in reducing the number of illegal firearms in their communities. It is not a mandatory program, and law enforcement in each locality have made the decision whether such a program is desirable in their own county or city. There is no compelling reason for the General Assembly to take this decision out of the hands of local law enforcement." WHAT?!? It does NOT require that localities not destroy guns. The final bill that passed made it an option for localities to be able to either do that or to sell the guns to a federally licensed gun dealer. The Governor is NOT reading these bills and is vetoing them based on erroneous knowledge of what the bills do! Harvard needs to get that diploma back ASAP.

    I would sum up Governor Kaine's attitude as, "To hell with the will of the People as expressed through the Legislature. I, King Kaine, know what all the People want and need and I have no interest in hearing their little voices and don't want to be confused with the facts."


    What now?

    On April 8th the General Assembly meets to override the Governor's vetoes. Unlike Governor Kaine, the General Assembly needs to show that public safety is more important than blind anti-gun politics.

    A quick look at the vetoed bills:

    SB 1035, the restaurant ban repeal, needs 5 more votes to be overridden in the Senate and the VCDL "robo calls" are working that issue right now. The House only needs 1 more vote to override the veto. (Senate 22 to 16, House 66 to 33) SEE ACTION ITEM BELOW!

    SB 877, the restaurant ban repeal for retired police, passed by a large veto proof margin. (Senate 40 to 0, House 84 to 15)

    SB 1851, One Handgun A Month exemption for active duty military, passed by a large veto proof majority. (Senate 31 to 8, House 86 to 13)

    SB 1528, internet training for CHPs, passed by a large veto-proof majority. (Senate 29 to 10, House 99 to 0)

    HB 2528, gun buy-up bill, passed by a large veto-proof majority. (Senate 28 to 12, House 85 to 11)

    So only one bill is in any real jeopardy, SB 1035, the restaurant ban repeal for CHP holders. The other bills have decent margin of votes to override the Governor's veto.



    If YOUR Senator is one of the following:

    Blevins, Colgan, Herring, Lucas, Norment, Northam, or Petersen

    And/Or YOUR Delegate is one of the following:

    Albo, Amundson, Caputo, Dance, Hamilton, Hargrove, Mathieson, May, Melvin, Paula Miller, Poisson, Rust, Shannon, Sickles, Tata, Tyler, Vanderhye, or Watts

    You need to call them NOW and let them know that since they supported RETIRED police officers carrying concealed in restaurants, even if they are drinking alcohol, they NEED to change their vote and override the Governor's veto to SUPPORT concealed handgun permit holders carrying concealed in restaurants if they don't drink!

    These legislators simply cannot justify what they have done by their contradictory votes. We MUST call them and let them know we expect them to make it right by overriding the veto.

    Here are their LOCAL phone numbers. Remember - call them NOW if they represent you. Have your family members and neighbors do the same.

    We CAN do this if enough of you do your part.

    Remember to hold their feet to the fire on this one!

    Harry Blevins, 757-546-2435
    Chuck Colgan, 703-368-0300
    Mark Herring, 703-729-3300
    Louise Lucas, 757-397-8209
    Thomas Norment, 757-259-7810
    Ralph Northam, 757-818-5172
    Chap Petersen, 703-349-3361

    Dave Albo, 703-451-3555
    Kristen Amundson, 703-619-0444
    Chuck Caputo, 703-476-6944
    Rosalyn Dance, 804-862-2922
    Phillip Hamilton, 757-249-2480
    Frank Hargrove, 804-550-2900
    Bobby Mathieson, 757-470-3000
    Joe May, 703-777-1191
    Ken Melvin, 757-397-2800
    Paula Miller, 757-587-8757
    David Poisson, 703-421-6899
    Thomas Rust, 703-437-9400
    Stephen Shannon, 703-281-5200
    Mark Sickles, 703-922-6440
    Bob Tata, 757-340-3510
    Roslyn Tyler, 434-336-1710
    Margi Vanderhye, 703-448-8018
    Vivian Watts, 703-978-2989
  7. Broadside


    Jan 14, 2001
    There are no bars in the state of Virginia. In order to have a license for on-premise consumption of alcohol, you must derive at least 40% of your gross receipts from the sale of food.

    Notice that whenever you see a "bar" area, it is surrounded by a restaurant. Hence it is call the "restaurant ban" and not the "bar ban".
  8. Richard Simmons

    Richard Simmons American Icon

    Jul 29, 2006

    Correct. For those of you who don't fully understand the situation the "bars" that are being referenced are such notorious establishments as:

    Ruby Tuesday's
    TGI Friday's
    Olive Garden
    Texas Steakhouse

    Any place that serves alcohol is off limits to CCW at this time.
  9. gunsite

    gunsite CLM

    Jul 8, 2003
    No Quarter
    Good sense, i Hate the combination of Alcohol and Guns, if you're drinking leave it home, if not, carry on.
  10. Orkinman


    Jan 10, 2008
    Northern VA
    The Bill wouldn't allow you to drink and carry. It allows someone who's carrying onto the premises of a restaurant that serves alcohol instead of having to take the gun off and leave it in the car. Leaving a gun in the car is a huge security risk. More guns are stolen out of cars than off peoples hips. I shouldn't have to jeopardize my safety and others if someone were to steal the gun out of my car, just so I can go into a restaurant.

    Just to clarify if the bill had passed, it would still be illegal to carry concealed and drink. And there are around 20 other states that allow concealed carry in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol and they don't have any problem with it. (I wish I could find the exact number)
  11. RandySmith


    Mar 1, 2001
    Staunton, Va.
    Prior to 1995, concealed carry was permitted in these establishments... there wasn't a problem then either.

  12. ISOM


    Oct 7, 2008
    The guns in bars legislation has been vetoed.
    The legislature has the votes to over-ride his veto--Will they?
  13. Aroooo


    Apr 26, 2008
    Northern VA
    We'll find out in a day or two - the override vote is tomorrow I think
  14. You guys need to understand that open carry is still legal in ABC establishments. Just CC with permit is banned.

    So they have the override votes this time, eh? Should be interesting! He veto'ed the bill last year as well.
  15. klt1986


    Feb 28, 2007
    I for one will be glad when Mr. Kaine is no longer our governor!
  16. Aroooo


    Apr 26, 2008
    Northern VA
  17. drpeej

    Mar 8, 2009
    We all talk about 2nd Amendment right, how about exercising your right to Free Speech. CALL YOUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE NOW!! I used to lobby, they listen to their constituents. CALL YOUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE and tell them to override Gov.'s veto.
  18. Aroooo


    Apr 26, 2008
    Northern VA

    Va. Senate upholds four of Kaine’s vetoes
    By Jim Nolan

    Published: April 8, 2009 (Richmond Times-Dispatch)
    The Democratic-controlled Virginia Senate today upheld Gov. Timothy M. Kaine's vetoes of three bills seeking to expand the death penalty and a bill that would allow holders of concealed weapons permits to carry firearms into bars.
    A two-thirds vote from both the Senate and the House of Delegates is required to override a governor's veto. Failure to achieve two-thirds in either house means that the legislation will not become law.
    Senators sustained the governor's veto on Senate Bill 961, the so-called "triggerman" bill, that would have allowed the death penalty to apply to participants in a capital murder who did not actually pull the trigger.
    Senators also voted not to expand the capital murder statute to include death penalty eligibility for people convicted of killing fire marshals [Senate Bill 1069], and a bill designed to extend the same coverage for auxiliary police officers [Senate Bill 1409].
    "Virginia is second in the nation in the number of executions we carry out," states Kaine's notes on his vetoes. " . . . I do not believe further expansion of the death penalty is necessary to protect human life."
    Senators also refused to override Kaine's veto of legislation that would allow concealed weapons permit holders to carry their weapons into bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.
    Last year, Senate Bill 1035 cleared both Houses but was vetoed by Kaine -- and Senate supporters of the legislation failed to muster the two-thirds vote needed to override the governor's veto.
    "Allowing concealed weapons into restaurants and bars that serve alcohol puts the public, the employees, and our public safety officers at risk," Kaine wrote in explaining his veto, noting the opposition to the legislation by law enforcement groups.
    "The only ones who can carry are those with a disregard for the law," said the bill's sponsor, Sen. Emmett Hanger, R-Augusta.
    Gun advocates did wring one victory from the Senate, which voted, 30-10 to override Kaine's veto of Senate Bill 877, which will allow retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons into restaurants and clubs that serve alcohol. The legislation is likely to be approved in the House of Delegates and become law.
  19. gtrcivic

    gtrcivic Hokie Glocker

    Mar 18, 2001
    Northern, VA, USA
    i really liked George Allen, made the CCW easier to obtain !
  20. Any word on the override?