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CArrying into a business with a no-carry sign??

Discussion in 'Ohio Glockers' started by pens-66, Dec 12, 2007.

  1. pens-66

    pens-66

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    I had a quick question here...can someone tell me if you were to carry into a business that displayed a no-carry sign in its window,and happened to be made,are you in deep dodo with the law or can a business only ask you to leave...please help me on this one.The handbook isnt really clear to me on this.:wavey:
     
  2. Ol' 12-toes

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    I think you're expected to go to the AG's site to read the actual law so you don't get zinged by information in outdated booklets.

    The business just calls the cops and you're good for 30 days/$250. As this is 'only' a misdemeanor, this law has no practical effect on people who are already commiting a felony by carrying while under disability or concealed without a permit.
     


  3. pens-66

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    I have the updated booklet and still seems unclear...I have heard many say that all the business can do is ask you to leave,with no consequences by the law..Was just hopeing to get some input maybe from LEO here
     
  4. thorn137

    thorn137 Walther

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    The law requires that you KNOWLINGLY violated the sign before entering, in order to be charges with the misdemeanor. If you didn't see the sign, and didn't know it was forbidden, then you merely have to leave when requested.

    thorn
     
  5. Linda

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  6. Hask12

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    Linda's right, and the police I have spoken to have said they probably wouldn't even charge you, but instead would just explain to you how the law works. Although that's by no means a guarantee.
     
  7. pens-66

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    Well thats what I thought..I havent been carring where there are signs posted...but with all the talk that all they can do is ask you to leave,then I would.With all these shootings and crap going on anymore,I just get paranoid when I'm not carrying.That last thing I would want to do is jeapordize my right to carry! My brother in law is a police officer and also says they probably wont do anything...But I don't like "PROBABLY"...I'd like a guarantee!
     
  8. Racsan

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    Over the last 4 years, the medical community has seen a sharp rise in a strange medical condition known as "Gun Buster Blindness". :whistling: It severely limits a persons ability to see certain shapes like a firearm symbol and the circle/slash symbol. There used to be a few signs around town, but lately they have either taken them down or this newly discovered medical condition has been getting worst. Fortunately no one is currently looking for a cure.
     
  9. pens-66

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    :rofl:I think I'm gettin a touch of that here lately:wavey:
     
  10. Linda

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    NICE!:wow:

    :rofl:
     
  11. elderboy02

    elderboy02 Cincy Glocker

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    Me too. It is hard to see them with the no smoking signs up. If someone ever got caught, one might be able to argue that they didn't KNOWINGLY see it because they thought it was a no smoking sign.
     
  12. Hask12

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    If there was ever a place you needed to carry, it would be in a "Gun Free" zone
     
  13. anyplainjoe

    anyplainjoe Nobody special.

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    Hey Linda,

    any update on the Marion situation?
     
  14. flitcrma

    flitcrma College!!!

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    I don't know about you folks, but I've never 'knowingly' seen a no gun sign.
     
  15. Linda

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    Not yet! Apparently not settled, since Ken has not talked about it yet.
     
  16. There is no provision in our law for being asked to leave.

    If you knowingly cross the threshold of a criminal protection zone (gunbuster sign) while carrying you are guilty of criminal trespass in the fourth degree.

    Unfortunately proving the unknowningly part requires a trial.

    Here's a current case of someone busted pending in the Cleveland suburbs: Sun News and the Berea Court Docket

    2911.21
     
  17. Swanny

    Swanny Raconteur

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    If you are doing a good job of concealing your gun, how is anyone ever going to know?
     
  18. Ohio; another reason to use a Smartcarry holster! ;)
     
  19. hagar

    hagar Millennium Member

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    I'm an old fart. The only thing I can see, is the front sight of my Glock, and a metal detector.
     
  20. firedog978

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    Far be it from me to tell anyone when and where to carry. I'd like to see no criminal safe zones at all.

    I have written many letters to businesses that post no gun signs. In every one of those letters, I have made statements that a person holding a CCW license from the state of Ohio is one of the most law-abiding people they could encounter. I have let them know about the criminal background checks and the assurances by the state that all these people are sane, have recieved training on a number of issues about carrying concealed (including the illegal places as defined in that training). I let them know that I refuse to spend even one thin dime in those businesses that choose to post such signs. In some cases after my letters, the signs have been removed, some have not.

    That said, a few of the above posts make it very difficult to convince the general public and certainly the antis, that CCW licensees are law-abiding.

    There are ways of changing their minds and/or the ridiculous laws. There are businesses at hand that do not choose to take away your 2nd Amendment rights. Use them! It's very difficult to continue to convince people that CCW licensees are some of the most law-abiding people they can encounter if they pick and choose which laws to obey.