Carry those trauma kits!

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by Morris, Feb 1, 2013.


  1. Morris

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    No, I saw your point. I just added a flavor of humor.

    That being said, the Phokus may not be suitable for SBA where deformation is a possibility. However, I recognize that this type of kit may help those who have limited kit space on their belt or don't have the pockets available for some gloves, combat gauze and a CAT or SWAT-T yes still want something reasonably handy. Ideally, it may be best under plates where the issue of deformation is reasonably moot.

    Which reminds me, I need to call Jake and order the small kit for T&E with my SBA. I can certainly post my thoughts.
     

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  2. CJStudent

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    Sorry; my mind wasn't in "humor" mode on that one, lol. I'm actually now leaning more towards a small kit I can put on my gun belt, as long as it's not too bulky. I don't carry a lot on that belt (weapon, mags, cuffs, radio, and about to put a Surefire G2 on it), and the times I can really see myself needing that would arise from an armed escort off the institution.
     

  3. Morris

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    There are some nice kits out there. NAR created some compact and flat kits that are nice. The luxury of having tactical pajamas is pocket sand the ability to carry kit items in them (of course, the flip side is filling them too much to the point you look like a bumpy mess).
     
  4. CJStudent

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    Yeah; I wear 5.11 Taclites most of the time. They have cargo pockets, but they're not all that large. Plus, I'd rather have it on my belt, where I always have it when I have a weapon at work, rather than something I can forget to throw in my pocket. Plus, my cargo pockets are already fairly full with my day to day stuff (planner (has our offense codes in it), notebook, gloves, trash bags for shaking down, etc).
     
    #44 CJStudent, Feb 5, 2013
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  5. I honestly never thought of the kit being used on ME, but rather having it to use on someone else who was wounded. Unless we (fellow officers) all have one and carry it in the same exact place, how would my coworkers know where to look for it? Or even know that I have one?

    Interested in how you guys do it that already have these.
     
  6. CJStudent

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    I guess I kinda default back to how the military does it, as that's where most of my medical training has come from: Your IFAK is for YOU; you treat casualties with THEIR IFAK and an aid bag. That's what I think of with this: if I'm hurt, this is something I can use to do self-aid and get back in the fight, or at least keep myself from bleeding out until I can get help. With my position, I can't see us being sent to assist on a mass shooting or something. For a mass-casualty scenario inside the fence, we have dedicated mass-casualty aid kits staged at various places around the joint.
     
  7. This is one of the downsides of the manufacturer eliminating the less expensive kit in that it had no items that would likely be affected by deformation. I don't think I would personally be too excited about the idea of a pair of trauma shears stacked between me and the stopped round.

    //Jake
     
  8. Morris

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    I have two dedicated pockets on the jumpsuit. The guys on my squad know which pockets.

    I actually had my department replace some combat gauze I whipped out and used on a GSW victim. Had to use it as the .223 rounds did a number on his leg and the scene was still fluid and aid was staging for the all clear. That was when I found religion about kits and always keeping stuff on me.
     
  9. The great challenge in the gun belt carried kit is real estate. We've found it's really tough to put enough stuff in it to be effective (i.e. not wasting your money), but keeping it small enough that it doesn't eat what little space most guys have on their belts. This is one of the reasons I'm heartened to see more and more external carriers become the norm. Most of our trauma gear is flat-packed. Great for a vest mounted IFAK or cargo pocket. Lame for belt mount.

    Unfortunately, a lot of our less scrupulous competition doesn't really care if it works or not, living by the principle of "I don't care what you buy, as long as you buy it from me". We've built our business instead on the concept of "If we wouldn't carry it, we won't sell it". I'm not saying we're the only makers/dealers of decent gear, just be careful who you shop from.

    Finally, I'd be happy to try to put something together for any of you guys that meets your needs. Just PM me or email me at jake@officersurvival.org.

    //Jake
     
  10. CJStudent

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    As to that last line, do I understand you correctly that you would be willing to do one-of custom kits for individuals?

    FYI, I just wanted to throw out there that I GREATLY appreciate the time and individual responses you're throwing out there. That's awesome customer service right there.
     
    #50 CJStudent, Feb 5, 2013
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  11. Thanks for the appreciation, it means a lot. We all spent our first careers in government employ so we know how frustrating the rest of your time can be, so whatever we can do to reduce it now, we will.

    As far as custom kitting one-offs, we can and do with some limitations. Basically we only do it for le and mil folks, it has to be stuff we have on our shelves, and its got to fit in our standard poly pack or a pouch we have in house. Basically, we can bundle stuff we have and give you better pricing. For orders of 10+ kits we can start looking to source products we don't normally carry, so long as it comes from somebody we already work with. Hope this helps.

    //Jake




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  12. CJStudent

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    Gotcha. I probably will be in contact with you about this within the next day or two. That is an awesome service!
     

  13. Here's my last post monopolizing the thread. I just got off the phone with the owner of Phokus and we're going to be removing the trauma shears based on this concern and we're swapping out the ACE bandage for a SWAT-T. Price stays the same.

    //Jake
     
  14. FYI, I have seen (elsewhere) EMT's state that when they see a tourniquet, that signifies--to the surgeon--cut here--as in cut off for amputation!
     
  15. indigent

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    That's old school thinking.... That's what I was taught in my EMT class way back in the mid 90's.

    Unfortunately one of the things we've learned with all the combat injuries overseas is that tourniquets can be applied and provide lifesaving assistance and not require removal of the limb.... Now that certainly doesn't go for every case, but it's not nearly as much of a definite thing as it used to be.

    Like CJ said earlier, you can use a triangular bandage in a pinch, but products such as the CAT tourniquet work more efficiently. They spread the pressure over a greater surface area and the ratcheting tension device makes loosening prior to advanced aid less of a problem.

    Unfortunately they are a must have for cops these days.
     
  16. CJStudent

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    New standard as taught in my TC3 class is they can be applied for up to two hours without permanent damage. Lots of good trauma information has come out of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and this is one of them. They teach us in the military now, that if you're still under fire, and someone's bleeding profusely, the standard immediate action is to put a tourniquet on them and get them out of the line of fire until things die down enough to do a more thorough assessment and decide on more appropriate treatment.
     
  17. G29Reload

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    I just realized this is coptalk and not the lounge, but as a civvie i put a Galls Gunshot kit in each vehicle when i started carrying concealed. They were only about 50 bucks at the time but just seemed to make a lot of sense. Feel a lot better having it at the range too, accidents happen. Or carelessness, but it happens. Pouch can fit in a cargo pocket.
     
  18. That is a good idea and you're welcome in coptalk.

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  19. If a pressure dressing doesn't solve it slap a TQ on it. PERIOD. That is the current AHA guidelines for civvy and the current guidelines for the .mil

    It DOES NOT MEAN they will be amputated, TQ's a great stuff don't freak out. However, only use the amount of pressure on the windlass to stop the bright spurting stuff, if it leaks just a bit but a pressure dressing over the leaky part. :wavey:

    If your getting a flat setup for use in your carrier put it in the back slot and hope you get shot facing the threat.

     
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  20. DaBigBR

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    Nah, he gets it.

    It's a risk/benefit debate. If the only place to put it is floating inside the shirt, you risk having it damaged, but the half intact kit you have has more survival value than the intact one you never bought.
     

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