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Can someone review my SBR plans???

Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by Mr. Gekko, Jan 16, 2011.


  1. Mr. Gekko

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    Hey everyone, I have done some research on my own and just looking for some feedback from anyone who has gone through the NFA process to make sure I am not missing anything.

    I bought a lower a month ago that I tested out with another upper and everything is good. I next plan to have it engraved with my information as the SBR manufacturer. Once I get it back, and I am happy with the work, I'm going to send out the paperwork. Once I have the stamp, I will look around for an upper.

    I know it is a no-no to already have an upper in my possession since I have the lower and another AR. If I found a good deal before getting the stamp, would it be ok to have it shipped and stored in a friends safe (who does not own any AR's) until I get it? I know the safest route would be to wait, but I was just wondering if there would be any issues with doing that.

    Thanks for any feedback.
     

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  2. Careby

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    I am not a lawyer, but my general rule of thumb is never to possess a collection of parts that can only be assembled in an illegal configuration. If you have an AR rifle lower and no 16+" upper, do not also possess an <16" upper or barrel. If your lower has never had a shoulder stock affixed, you may be able to configure it as an AR pistol until your paperwork is approved. As far as having an SBR barrel or upper stored at some other location, while it would probably keep you out of trouble, I don't really like the idea.
     

  3. MisterPX

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    DO you have a pistol lower? If not, sending the upper elsewhere would work.

    Was the SBR lower built form a stripped lower, or a complete? Curious, becasue one of the other ways to test your setup is to use a stripped lower, build your SBR as a pistol, then you know if the upper/lower combo will work. Something to consider for your next SBR
     
  4. Mr. Gekko

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    I dont have a pistol lower and the one I plan to use was complete. I read about the pistol lower option, but I was not 100% comfortable doing that for my first NFA. I will keep that in mind for the future though. Thanks for the reply. :wavey:
     
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    You'd be fine storing the upper at a friend or family member's house as long as they don't have any ARs.
     
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    nevermind, I misread
     
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    You have the answers to your original question. I would recommend you send your lower to THESE GUYS for the engraving. They do it with lasers, so you don't have the sharp edges of the engraver to worry about cleaning and taking the anodizing/oxidizing chemicals inconsistently.

    http://www.customizedcreationz.com/services/laserengraving.html
     
  8. Mr. Gekko

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    Thanks everyone! I just want to make sure I am doing everything right since this is will be my first NFA firearm. I appreciate the replies and welcome any more suggestions. :wavey:
     
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    That was my issue when a buddy was going to jump on some cheap 7" uppers for $300 and I told him don't do it unless you want to chance that "constructive" construction NFA rule since he has a few AR rifles and no pistol lower.

    Sucks for me too because I am also missing out on the deal until I find my pistol lower.
     
  10. boomhower

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    Make sure they can engrave deep enough. For NFA stuff there is a minimum depth it must be.
     
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    ATF legal engraving for all types of form's required. The engraving is all laser engraved to a depth of .010 ( ATF requires a minimum of .004 ), so this is well beyond what the ATF requires.

    All engravings are $50 and include up to two lines of information.
     
  12. big_gun_man

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    What exactley do you have to have engraved in the lower, I am thinking about buying a PTR 91 and then buying an A2 stock to make it an SBR. What all would I have to do, I thought that you just had to apply for the tax stamp and that was it.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  13. MisterPX

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    You engrave the manufaturer's info (you, if you file teh form 1) Can be on frame, receiver, or barrel. AR's are mostly done on rec. becasue of the ease of swapping uppers.

    As to your PTR, I think it'd be easier and cheaper to pick up a HK51 clone, than to have an 18" barrel on a PTR cut dwon with furniture.
     
  14. bullet3z

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    You would have to engrave the receiver since this is where the SN is located. There are rules to the size, depth and location that has to be engraved.

    Most common way to do it,

    T. Bone
    your city, state.

    or

    Mickeymouse trust or LLC
    your city, state.
     
  15. MisterPX

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    You don't "have to" mark on receiver. See my earlier post.
     
  16. 12131

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    OP, I'm not sure why you would want to spend the money engraving the info before your application gets approved. If it doesn't, then you just wasted your money, imo.
     
  17. Careby

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    It's a good idea so if the engraving is messed up, or the receiver is lost in the mail, you can replace it without additional NFA paperwork & expense. And some worry that once the form is processed the receiver becomes an NFA item and shouldn't leave your custody.

    As far as uncertainty whether the application will be "approved", you aren't asking for permission, you're paying a tax.
     
  18. Glockdude1

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    Once you have had your info engraved on the lower, it will be very tough to sell in the future, if you choose to sell it. Very few buyers will buy a SBR with someone else's info on it.

    :cool:
     
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    To each his own. NFA items go to engraving all the time.

    This is .gov you're dealing with. I don't expect reason and logic from them.

    And Glockdudue1 brings up a very good point.
     
  20. Mr. Gekko

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    That was my opinion as well.

    Both of you bring up good points and I appreciate them. Once it is engraved, I know I willl be "married" to it and I accept that. After dealing with the FAA for several years, I do have to agree with your interpretation of government agencies. No standard at all to follow, just each persons interpretation of the reg's.

    Thanks for the replies again, keep them coming if you have them. :wavey: