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Can one country have it all?

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by CitizenOfDreams, Aug 3, 2012.

  1. DanaT's posts about Germany got me thinking... Is it possible to adopt good traits of other countries without inheriting the bad ones?

    Or is it impossible in principle to have cheap gasoline without inconsiderate drivers, good beer without legal drinking age of 21, right to carry without restriction on suppressors, diverse culture without pressing 1 for English?
  2. I don't get it. Good laws are good laws and bad people are bad people. Bad people violate good laws, but that doesn't make those laws bad. Why not adopt the good ones?

    We have some extremely prudish laws in this country that makes no sense other than to satisfy some outdated Christian values. These laws need to be removed. There's no logical reason why I can buy alcohol on any given day except Sundays.

  3. No. There are bastards everywhere.

  4. JBnTX

    JBnTX Bible Thumper

    Aug 28, 2008
    Fort Worth Texas

    You're mixing apples and oranges.

    The examples you mentioned have zero correlation with each other. One does not cause the other.

    No country should adopt the ANY traits from other countries, but they should develop their own national traits and national pride.

    You have to take the bad with the good.
    You can't have it just one way.
  5. The Machinist

    The Machinist No Compromise

    Sep 20, 2009
    The Left Coast
    So America should be proud of crappy roads, low speed limits, and terrible drivers?
  6. JBnTX

    JBnTX Bible Thumper

    Aug 28, 2008
    Fort Worth Texas

    [ame=""]"There You Go Again!" ~ Ronald Reagan - YouTube[/ame]

    No, America should be proud that we're a driving force for what's good and right in this world.

    America is a shining beacon of liberty and freedom for all the world to imitate and admire.

    We feed and cloth more than half the world's population.

    We protect the other half from the desires of tinpot dictators
    and oppressive thugs of the world.

    Right now the USA is the best thing going and is far ahead of whoever's in second place.

    We don't need to adopt the traits of other countries because we set the world standard.

    It's the other countries that should be adopting our traits and standards.

    And that's what America should be proud of!

    Last edited: Aug 4, 2012
  7. I have no doubt that America is the best country overall. Yet - please don't get mad at me - there are some things that some countries do better than us.

    Why shouldn't we learn to do those things better? What is wrong with being fast and courteous on the highway? Is it un-American?
  8. So nothing would prevent a country from adopting the good traits and ignoring the bad ones? Then why does it rarely happen in reality? Every time two cultures meet, they parrot each other's vices.

    A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from mstakes of others.
  9. pugman


    May 16, 2003
    For now.

    We do this by amassing an incredible amount of debt....and wait for it...

    We do it at the expense of our own population since people go to bed hungry in the U.S every day

    Based on the Fed's 2010 budget if we continued spending what we do and had a balanced budget taxes would have to increase tax revenues by 70%. The worse thing...based on actual numbers for the 2010 year the fed collected less than it budgeted for and spent more

    To the OP's question: its something which looks good on paper and is impossible in practice.

    We have good beer...the drinking age has nothing to do with that.

    Our problem is simply we have good traits...but when we see people exhibt the wrong ones we blame it on everything under the sun except the individual.

    One of the first personality reports about the Colorado shooter was he played a lot of video games? Geez, I thought that stupid arguement died in the 80's.

    A friend of a friend killed someone drunk driving - a man with a wife and three small children. What did he get? 5 years for vehicular manslaughter. He has forever changed the lives of that woman and her children. He was a dead broke loser with no insurance so the family isn't getting squat less what he might have had in life insurance. What should have happened?

    He becomes their slave for life. He works a job, gets paid and every nickel except for what it cost to guard, feed and shelter him goes to the family. And that shelter has no AC, no cable, group showers with cold water and food with enough carbs to keep him going the next day. He wants out?

    There is a .42 solution to that problem.

    A man rapes a woman (or hell another man)...let him sit in jail for a few months, let the victim recover and let the victim decide punishment not the legal (notice I didn't say justice) system

    You start that trend see how many people exhibit the bad traits you are talking about.
  10. JBnTX

    JBnTX Bible Thumper

    Aug 28, 2008
    Fort Worth Texas

    Name one?
  11. I did earlier in the thread - fast and courteous driving on German Autobahns. Why would it be wrong to adopt it?
  12. pugman


    May 16, 2003
    Education...and that is a big one.

    Ironically if you google it, the U.S has just been ranked #1 in the world for its Higher Education System which is why so many foreign students come here.

    Unfortunately, U.S students rarely make the grade.

    Recent studies show even though the U.S is starting to catch up we generally don't rank in the top ten countries when it comes to reading (14th), science (17th) or math (25th)

    My wife became a teacher this year and her math class students are simply unbelievable. Half her class is sharp, the other half couldn't multiple .27 times .34 by hand....

    this same half couldn't make basic conversions when given the formula of say converting pounds to kilograms.

    Countries whose students are generally considered "better": South Korea, Finland, Canada, New Zealand, Japan, Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Poland, and Iceland.
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2012
  13. countrygun


    Mar 9, 2012

    It seems to me that the reason "fast" might work is because of the "courteous" part.

    So, exactly how do we get people to adopt "courtesy"?????

    There are plenty of Countries with lousy rude drivers too. It seems to be a social issue, and since social engineering ias generally a liberal specialty it makes me nervous I will have to say "America is fine on that level"
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2012
  14. Brucev


    Jul 19, 2009
    Re: OP.... The Rolling Stones had it right, "You can't always have what you want."
  15. hogship

    hogship It's MY Island

    You've got to be kidding.

    Our educational system is one of the biggest problems we have!

  16. Absolute majority of Americans will hold the door for the person walking behind them. Were they social engineered to do so?
  17. countrygun


    Mar 9, 2012

    To an extent, yes. nobody is born with a "hold the door" gene.

    But again, how would you propose to change diving behavior withput social engineering or Politness Police?
  18. 427


    Nov 23, 2009
    It's minority that causes the problems.
    It's the minority that causes the legislation/restrictions for the majority.

    It's kinda like the disclaimers "don't try this at home." While the vast majority won't one or two have done it, will do it, are doing it, or are thinking about it.
  19. You must live nowhere near the border.

    That whole "German autobahn" thingy would just not work here with all the illegals driving. They barely do the speed limit and if you have seen their really don't want those things doing 90 plus next to you on the freeway.

    - brickboy240