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Can anyone help identify this Colt ball and cap revolver?

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by B_RAD, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. B_RAD

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    I believe it's an 1851 Dragoon. Not sure about the engraving or the grips. Trying to find out what exactly it is and what it may be worth. Any help is appreciated.


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  2. awpk03s

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    It does appear to be a Dragoon 44 caliber revolver. Unsure whether 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Model Dragoon.

    Very interesting piece.
     


  3. B_RAD

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    You know what's cool? As I'm sitting here holding this, I'm wondering what's it's done, where it's been and what it may have been involved in. Was it used in something of any significance? Probably not but it's still cool.
     
  4. garya1961

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    If that is an original which it looks like it is then that's not your everyday cowboy gun. It probably belonged to someone wealthy.
    Be careful how you treat it. Don't clean it, just wipe it down to keep it from rusting. Don't worry about getting any dirt or crud off it. What ever you do don't shine it up especially the brass.
     
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  5. B_RAD

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    Oh yeah, I've heard the stories about folks "cleaning" or doing other stuff that ended up lowering the value. I don't plan on doing anything like that. Thanks for the info.
     
  6. Tiro Fijo

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    It's a Colt's 1st Model Dragoon as it has a squareback triggerguard and round bolt notches. Condition could be better, however it is engraved & has Mexican Eagle ivory grips which add value. It needs to be appraised by someone who collects. Go here & post:


    http://www.coltforum.com/forums/colt-revolvers/
     
  7. B_RAD

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    Will do. Thank you for your help!
     
  8. Jim Watson

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    Agree with Tiro Fijo that oval bolt notches and square back trigger guard are characteristic of a First Model Dragoon.
    However Flayderman says serial numbers ran only to about 8000.
    SN 10508 would indicate a very late Second Model into the SN range that overlaps with the Third Model.
    Perhaps the unengraved 1st model cylinder is a period repair with a part from an older gun.

    Any road, it is a very fine piece and needs expert assessment.
     
  9. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    If that's the real deal instead of a fake, then it's worth lots of moolah.
     
  10. Tiro Fijo

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    Exactly. I noticed this as well. Best to post in the Colt Forum. I have a hunch but am reluctant to say.

    P.S. I would be curious to know the provenance of this particular revolver however.
     
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  11. Bren

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    Heck, the grips are worth more than most of my guns. Very nice.
     
  12. Brian Lee

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    Up a tree.
    The square back trigger guard would be consistent with some of the 1851 Colt Navy's and all it's other versions like the dragoon. However I thought (but not sure) that all the 1851's had octagon barrels. I had thought the round barrels came a few years later. Maybe not.
     
  13. MrMurphy

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    Buried in the X-files
    Dragoon, though others will know the specific version.

    Don't clean it up, have it professionally appraised.
     
  14. Jim Watson

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    It's definitely a Dragoon, Brian.
    It was MADE in 1851, according to the serial number lookup at Coltsmfg.com.

    The only real question is what is a late 2nd model doing with a 1st model cylinder.
    Tiro Fijo says he has a theory but is apparently sitting on it until the OP can get on the Colt board.
     
  15. B_RAD

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  16. Jim Watson

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    Well, darn.
    It may not be the real thing, but it still looks impressive and has been interesting reading about.