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Call it a conspiracy theory, if you want......but.....

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by hogship, Oct 13, 2012.

  1. hogship

    hogship It's MY Island

    ......it seems like the very act of mentioning possibilities is not allowed in public discourse, but hear this:

    We know that someone authorized "Fast and Furious", and it would be a colossal act of stupidity to suggest that whoever did, KNEW without any doubt, that sending these firearms to criminal elements in Mexico would result in deaths......even, many deaths.

    At this point, we know without any doubt that many requests were made for increased security in our Libyan embassy......by the ambassador.....and a number of others who feared for their lives. We know the requests were denied, and whoever did that, reasonably should have known the deaths of American citizens could, or would be the likely result......

    Is isn't unreasonable to suggest that in BOTH these events, the resulting deaths may not have been the unintended consequences.......but, rather these deaths were the OBJECTIVE?


    Why, you ask, would the American deaths in Benghazi be the objective? Assuming the hypothesis is true, who is to say for sure? There is a distinct possibility that the deaths in Libya could have been for the purpose of manipulating the news, re-directing public focus, or attention. If that were true, then obviously the plan didn't have the desired result.......but, the deaths still did occur as a result of politics......and if that were so, it would be murder.

    If the decisions were made by the same person, would it be unreasonable to connect the dots and assume murder was the intended result, and that result led to a certain political leverage, or advantage?

    ooc
     
  2. JBnTX

    JBnTX Bible Thumper

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    I just wonder if some of the biggest news stories were in fact faked to keep more damaging stories off the front page.

    Did the Clinton/Lewinski affair even happen?

    Was Osama Bin Laden killed long ago and his body frozen so it could be used later as a news story designed to keep something more damaging hidden from public knowledge?

    Was Fast and Furious actually a cover up for our government's
    attempt to destabilize or damage the Mexican government by deliberately supplying guns to drug cartels?

    Did Obama "arrange" for an attack on the Benghazi embassy to order to divert a news story about his illegal campaign contributions?

    The campaign donations story surfaced, the Benghazi attack happened, and illegal campaign donations story just vanished.

    What will we never know about because of diversionary news stories?

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  3. DonGlock26

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    I believe Obama and his administration are typical incompetent progressives and have gotten a US ambassador, a federal agent, and 16 Mexican teens killed out of sheer liberal stupidity. Holder and Obama are racists though.
     
  4. countrygun

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    Remember something my Grandpa told me,

    "A pessimist, is someone who was once a very big optimist but got slapped hard by reality and never recovered"

    It is hard to accept that gross stupidity plays such a factor in our society but, many times, it proves to be the case. In this instance however the players HAVE given "probable cause" for suspicion. The nature and intent of "F&F" is simply so obvious and yet, the thought that minds, that could be that devious, could also be so inept or so arrogant as to have actually implimented it does boggle the rational mind.

    As far as such things in todays "relative intelligence" climate. you do have to wonder. a good example: Is Joe Biden really that stupid?.
     
  5. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    Ever been in a meeting with more than 12 people. None of us is as dumb as all of us together.

    I see a lot more chaos than control, and a lot more incompetence than diabolical schemes.

    But there is obviously a lot of smoke around F&F, there was more too it than they have admitted so far.

    By the way, the F&F whistleblower just got fired this week. No good deed goes unpunished.
     
  6. DOC44

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    expendable political pawns for o???

    Doc44
     
  7. hogship

    hogship It's MY Island

    DonGlock26.......

    I believe there are many people who feel the same as you do, and I also believe that it's easy to think Holder and Obama are nothing but bumbling fools that had no idea that anyone would get killed. (.....If the assumption can be made that Holder and Obama are behind the authorization of F&F.) To my way of thinking, the "bumbling fool" approach is the easy path to take, because who would want to think people in high places would intentionally want someone to die in the pursuit of their political motives.........right?

    The deaths of Ambassador Stevens, and three other American citizens would be a little more difficult to conceive of their deaths as deliberately planned, but those who died as a result of Fast and Furious, is a little less defensible by the "bumbling fool" concept.

    We were told the weapons were to be tracked to see where they went, but there was absolutely no method in place of actually doing that. If that is so, then it was known all along that from the moment of the transfer of these firearms, to the moment where they surfaced again, their whereabouts would not, and could not be known.......by a logical progression of thoughts and events, the location of these weapons wasn't the reasoning behind F&F in the first place.....as we were told. If there was no method of tracking the weapons, then the final destination WAS the point where they would eventually surface again. That final destination involved killings.......and ta daaaaaaa: media attention

    If there is agreement that the resulting deaths were thought to be the most likely result by the F&F decision makers, or at least a possibility, then the initial objective of F&F becomes a little less cloudy, and a little more clear......and does make much more logic than what we were told. If A+B=C, then it's only a matter of connecting a few dots to suspect denial of security at the Libyan embassy, had at it's conception, a similar purpose as did Fast and Furious.......

    Was it bumbling fools, and came down exactly as we were told........or, were these things the result of allowing/causing deaths to occur for political gain? (I don't think I will have to remind anyone that the latter is nothing new to those intending to exploit public opinion, by manipulating public opinion......throughout world history.)

    ooc
     
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  8. ModGlock17

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    A conspiracy requires intelligence to organize, meticulous and loyalty to execute it.

    A conspiracy can occur behind the scenes, that employs a bumbler and a fool as the front, where both the bumbler and fool are expendable and never be part of the inner circle of conspiracy.

    Conspirators are introverted thinkers. They don't go hogging public attention but rather shy from it.
     
  9. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    They tried to work behind the scenes, and were foiled by a whistle blower.

    There is more to this than simply bumbling and letting guns be bought by straw buyers on this side of the border, and head south to the other side. There is a motivation to do that, and that is the key to the issue. WHY did they do it. The president (aka "Barry Big Ears") is hiding the answer to this question. On purpose.
     
  10. countrygun

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    I agree with Cavalry Doc,

    what was the "desired result"? Where are the bad guys they were supposed to "catch"? heck, who were they? How were guns in Mexico going to help US LE make any "cases"?

    I want them to walk us through exactly how sending guns into Mexico was going to serve the purpose of reducing crime in America, which is what they are paid to do.

    I doubt very much they can do it, simply because that was never their intention. So they can then tell us what their intention was. (yah, sure they will:upeyes:)
     
  11. Skyhook

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    Two things come to mind: 1) According to a resource person on one of the FOX programs this morning (watched between flights), there is suspicion that Stevens was intentionally abandoned like ripe fruit. The guy (I really wish I could recall his name) seemed to think that the info will be forthcoming... eventually.
    2) Then there's this; (similar to the Reichstag burning (?)) :dunno: http://www.9news.com/news/article/294136/339/Shot-fired-at-Denver-Obama-campaign-office- which has me wondering if - IF- we could not witness something similar to pound the populace into a quivering mass of pity generators who will rush to put poor Obama back into office where he can "complete his mission".

    I swear, this administration with that Holder/Obama/Reid/Pelosi core has me thinking stuff I would never have imagined I would or could. :shakehead:
     
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  12. countrygun

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    You bring up the key question, In theis Administration what in the world kept them from giving more security? the cost? From this Administration, highly unlikely.

    There was another reason. The danger was "Clear and Present" I begin to wonder what our Ambassador knew or thought that couldn't be allowed a hearing?


    Or was it just a failed attenpt to gin up a situation to cloud the election?
     
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  13. hogship

    hogship It's MY Island

    Very similar to my thoughts on this. It's very easy to say to one's self that this is just too outrageous to think deaths might be occurring for the benefit of political gain.

    It's not unrealistic, considering it's nothing new.

    ooc
     
  14. porschedog

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    I thought the idea behind F&F was to create more anti gun hysteria that would then allow Big Ears to follow up with his and Holders original intent of passing more laws to punish legal gun owners
     
  15. Skyhook

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    COST... convenient dodge/ruse, perhaps? I do recall one witness at the hearing saying that he had requested I think he said a dozen Marines and was told he was "asking for the sun, moon, and stars.."
     
  16. hogship

    hogship It's MY Island

    You are right, and it was....., but only if you are inclined to distrust the official explanation.....

    The deaths were the vehicle to access the news media, which would serve to bring the hysteria to the forefront of American mainstream......

    ooc
     
  17. countrygun

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    I had just heard that before I posted. That is an excuse I won't buy from the "credit-card" administration. That's like Madonna saying "No, that would compromise my virtue"
     
  18. Willard

    Willard Who, me?

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    It boils down to this: either the administration is evil, or just incompetent. Either way, they have got to go!
     
  19. countrygun

    countrygun

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    Agreed. ^^^^^
     
  20. stevelyn

    stevelyn NRA Life Member

    I have no problem concluding that the waffen BATFEces scum and Holder engineered this scheme to contrive evidence to be used as a pretext for a major gun control push.

    That was the conclusion reach by Mike Vanderboegh and David Codrea, both of whom were responsible for breaking the story and keeping in the news. Given the character of the people involved in the feral govt, I have no reason to disagree with them.