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CA---Another open carry ban looms

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by Sam Spade, Jun 27, 2012.

  1. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

    May 4, 2003
    As you may know, CA used to allow open carry of unloaded handguns. OC activists, looking to "normalize" OC and "desensitize" the public to weapons while "educating" police on their rights, ended up instead getting OC outlawed.

    Undeterred, several activists (including at least one here, IIRC) pointed out that they would continue the good fight with long guns, which were still legal for CA OC. They apparently did their best, showing up at a series of gatherings.

    Can anyone guess where this is headed? Yup--the bill to outlaw open carry of long guns has just cleared committee. It's AB1527.
  2. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

    Apr 30, 2005
    I guess the OC rights crowd are not releasing any press releases about the "fruits" of their efforts.

  3. RussP

    RussP Moderator

    Jan 23, 2003
    Central Virginia
    Would this strengthen a constitutional court case?
  4. Dragoon44

    Dragoon44 Unfair Facist Lifetime Member

    Apr 30, 2005
    I would think it would be grounds to attempt a Constitutional challenge under the 2nd amendment. But I would not look for it to go anywhere. So Far SCOTUS has shown no inclination to support carry whatever you want whenever you want wherever you want. They have simply ruled out bans on ownership.
  5. Bruce M

    Bruce M

    Jan 3, 2010
    S FL
    I wonder how true the saying "As California goes so goes the nation" may be in the future.
  6. Jon_R


    May 3, 2009
    Central Florida
    I hope so.

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    To me
    Keep = Own
    Bear = To Carry
    Not be infringed.... :whistling:
  7. twag4


    Feb 28, 2010
    It seems to be the opposite when regarding firearms. I cannot recall a time when more concealed carry and open carry existed. I guess the 1800s, but there were far fewer people then. Lots of states with stand your ground laws, open carry is on the rise, concealed carry permits being issued at record levels in many states. I say to he// with California!
  8. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM


    Think what affect the next US Supreme Court Justice pick or two could have on things...
  9. Drain You

    Drain You NRA member

    Apr 25, 2012
    California sucks.

  10. dstanley66


    Apr 13, 2012
    California is a beautiful state run by a bunch of dumb *****, that want's to take your rights away, for oc or cc what is the difference from the 1800's to the early 1900;s ? Could it be alot more crime & murders now?
    Last edited: Jun 27, 2012
  11. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

    Jul 12, 2007
    I would think complete ban on bearing would stand the same chance of being constitutional as a complete ban on keeping based on the wording.

    The trick is someone getting standing. That probably means someone's going to have to get arrested, fight it all the way.

    Who's got the cojones to step forward? Anyone know how long it took for Heller to wind its way through the system until he finally prevailed at SCOTUS? What did it cost out of pocket, and how much was covered in donated time by attorneys and donations from pro 2A folks/organizations?

    Someone's got to want it really bad to ride it through to the bitter end. I think Dragoon is probably right on the practical aspect, and Jon is right on the theoretical aspect.

    Doesn't Chicago have a case winding its way through the system regarding ownership?

    Has anyone tried challenging the CA OC pistol laws? Any cases pending? With all the guys posting their unloaded OC experiences in CA there's no shortage of people who could be motivated to give it a shot.

    Last edited: Jun 27, 2012
  12. porschedog


    Sep 29, 2009
    Hey Mexico, do you still want California?
    You can have it if you agree to take all the libtards, too
    Yes, that includes nancy pelosi and Diane Feinstein
  13. Thx-1138

    Thx-1138 NRA Member

    Jul 27, 2007
    North Carolina
    +1, if it includes the debt and unfunded liabilities (i.e. state pensions) that CA currently has.

    The rest of us can still visit the beautiful beaches on vacation.
  14. TKM

    TKM Shiny Member Lifetime Member

    Just think of all of the granola eating, bunny hugging, tree climbing friends of nature that left your home town to move to my home town, now go ahead and blame us.

    We let your retards move here and vote.

    You let them move in the first place.:steamed:
  15. Quiet

    Quiet Casino Goon

    The day the ban on the open carrying of unloaded handguns went into effect, the same people who open carried unloaded handguns as a political statement, went out and got news coverage of themselves open carrying unloaded CA legal AR15 type rifles.

    The proposed legislation to ban the open carrying of unloaded long guns is a response to that activity.

    Background info...
    The CA state constitution does not have a "right to bear arms" provision.
    It wasn't until SCOTUS ruled, in 2010, that the Second Amendment was incorporated that CA finally got a "right to bear arms".
    This is the reason why, prior to 2010, almost all of CA's gun control laws were ruled to be consitutional by the Courts.

    In 11-2011, a lawsuit was filed to challenge CA's 1967 ban on open carrying loaded firearms in public places.
    Currently, the lawsuit has relatively no support from CA's pro-gun community due to how weak the case and the fact that the litigant & lawyers for the litigant refuse to take any advice from Alan Gura (lawyer involved in both SCOTUS decisions), CGF, SAF or the NRA. Refusal has to do with a combination of factors, most being the litigant does not think they (CGF/SAF/NRA) knows what they (CGF/SAF/NRA) are doing.
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2012
  16. jph02


    Jun 10, 2012
    This makes no sense to me.

    This does not bode well for a good outcome of this case. That will end up being a set-back for all of us unless the decision is so narrow as to only apply to CA. Even then, it will not be good.
  17. nosuchagency

    nosuchagency ...

    Feb 3, 2006
    antagonizing the powers that be in such a bass-akward state; imo (and stating the painfully obvious), it would pretty much be an expected response...

    taking my favorite line from any movie (copland - where figs also explains to freddy within same scene about jagging through traffic, instead of attacking it head on):

    figs: being right isn't a bullet-proof vest...
  18. TBO

    TBO Why so serious? CLM

    "Rights are like muscles, and must be flexed (in someone's face) to remain strong. "

    Satirical quote used to emphasize an issue with delivery and forum.

    Sent from my mind using Tapatalk 2
  19. Mister_Beefy

    Mister_Beefy Legal & Proper

    Apr 19, 2011
    the government attempts to further restrict rights, and government employees mock those that were against the restrictions while clucking their tongues and saying "I told you so"
  20. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

    May 4, 2003
    My concern about the method, and low opinion of the practitioners, is not an endorsement of the restrictions.

    And yes, I did tell you so.