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Bushmaster ACR

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by dw_player, Feb 20, 2010.

  1. dw_player


    Jan 1, 2009
    Lexington, KY
    OK, so I'm thinking about my tax return and may invest in m first 'black' rifle. There are two options I'm now considering:
    1. A good quality AR
    2. The new Bushmaster ACR
    Whatever I get would be my first real tactical rifle (I have a M&P15-22) and I only want to buy it once. Meaning I don't want to outgrow the rifle by buying something very cheap and upgrading it later.
    Money IS an object though, don't get me wrong.
    I've read a lot about BCM and am leaning towards them as an AR platform provider.
    I received an email from OnPoint about the Bushmaster ACR becoming available this spring/summer and am interested based on what I read, but I'm a novice. I realize it's 1.5-2x the cash potentially, but would it be worth the investment?
    Do any of you guys have any thoughts/experience with the ACR? Which would be better for range, training (which I intend to get) and maybe some competition (not sure about this one yet...).
    Thanks in advance!
  2. WarMachine


    Dec 18, 2005
    I don't have any comment on the ACR specifically, but you can build a damn fine railed BCM with, BUIS, a quality optic, Larue mount, sling, magazines, ammo, etc. for the price of a bare bones ACR.

    My middy BCM has been wonderful, so perhaps I'm a little biased, as I thoroughly enjoyed piecing together and shooting my build.

    Noveske is even offering free stripped lowers with an upper purchase, I believe.

    I just don't think (too early to "know" I suppose) that the ACR will be worth investing in over a well thought out AR build with quality components, or even a SCAR which is already being fielded.

    You say that money IS an object for you. In that case, I'd get a squared away AR and save the extra money to be put towards LOTS of trigger time so that the thing doesn't just sit in the safe. I would get an ACR if I had money to burn, but not for my first foray into black rifle territory.

    This is all just my opinion of course. I only have hands-on experience with AR's and a buddy of mine's SCAR.

  3. furioso2112


    Dec 12, 2007
    It's going to take a lot of research and good guessing to buy once and not ever want to upgrade. There are a few things that you'll be hard-pressed to figure out before using an AR that would require (relatively) major changes later: barrel twist rate (would require a barrel change - easy enough, as is anything with an AR, but requires tools and some searching for instructions). 1 in 7" is gaining popularity, and shoots heavier bullet weights more accurately (a short description). BCM also offers a 410SS barrel that is 1 in 8", a compromise between 1 in 9" (former most popular, shoots lower bullet weights more accurately) and 1 in 7". The barrels are very accurate, but a bit heavier. The gas system and barrel length are also things you'll need to consider. A bolt, handguard (free-floated or not?), and the hundreds of other accessories can be changed later, essentially as drop-ins, but as you said, you prefer to buy once. You'll do well to talk about an figure out what kind of shooting you're going to do. Plinking, 3-gun, long-range all have a different set of components that optimize the usefulness of your setup and accessories.

    Ttere are tons of good threads to look into. It might take a few weeks of dedicated research and thinking to make a good guess, and that's no guarantee that you won;t soon want to change a component or two.
  4. I was really interested in the ACR ever since it first appeared as the Masada. You must consider that since Bushmaster took over the product, they made some changes like the positon of the charging handle. It is an innovative product and has potential, but the AR system is proven. There are more options for a quality AR out there. BCM products are a fine example so I would agree with that.

    Unfortunately, even with a high quality AR platform, there will always be upgrades since technology always develops. Sights get better, rails get lighter and stronger etc. But I also know of plenty of guys who are quite happy with their 15 year old stock Colts with iron sights.

    I would recommend talking to the Bravo guys and getting an AR with what you want on it rather than investing all your eggs on a new design. Good luck and have fun.
  5. raven11


    Jan 27, 2009
    to buy a ACR you'd have to say

    No, i don't want to buy:
    1) multiple DI AR
    2) piston AR
    3) FN FAL
    4) HK G3
    5) FN FS2000
    6) FN Scar
    7) FN PS90
    8)MSAR AUG

    the choice is yours but most of the weapons on the above list you could buy one with money to spare
  6. crazymoose

    crazymoose Nonentity

    Feb 9, 2005
    I agree. Were a more trustworthy company handling it, I might suggest the ACR, but Bushmaster has a long history of taking all sorts of QC shortcuts. A good AR-15 like a Bravo Co. will serve you well. If your heart is set on something other than an AR, perhaps something like the FN SCAR-L would be a more dependable investment.
  7. dw_player


    Jan 1, 2009
    Lexington, KY
    Thanks for the responses so far guys. Exactly the insightful and welcomed biased/informed opinions I was hoping for.
    Now let me clarify one point. I may have overstated my goal in buying once. From what I've read so far (I'm an engineer by day so I tend o over analyze and get lots of data) I view the AR as a componetized platfor
    There are certainly opotunities and reasons o upgrade or swap out components but I want to ensure I'm building off of a quality base (solid upper and lower).
    Rails, optics and barrel are certainly areas I need to become more educated in. I will probably put some time in open sites first (prior to optics) to make sure I am comfortable in many situations.
    I really appreciate the twist rate exaplanation. That actually helps a ton.
    Keep the data coming.
    Thanks again.
  8. Constructor

    Constructor Moderator

    Dec 10, 2009
    I would never buy a $2300 piston AR in place of a SCAR or possibly ACR, the SCAR and ACR were designed as piston rifles from the ground up, a piston AR is a bandaid IMO. I have a SCAR but still waiting on the ACR to do a month long inspection and test side by side.
    There is nothing wrong with a well built DI AR, especially if you aren't shooting 500 rounds a day.
  9. PlasticGuy


    Jul 10, 2000
    I was very excited about the Masada. When Bushmaster took over and changed it to the ACR, they also:

    1) Raised the MSRP to over $3000
    2) Changed to a 1:9" twist
    3) Made the barrel without chrome lining
    4) Increased the weight to 8.25 pounds
    5) Changed the trigger group so not all parts are AR15 compatable

    I'm no longer interested. I won't pay $3000 for a rifle with a sub-standard barrel and weighing 2+ pounds more than an AR15 carbine with the same length barrel. And it's not even combat tested. At least the overpriced SCAR has been in the hands of warriors. The only battles the ACR has seen are on the Playstation 3.
  10. Constructor

    Constructor Moderator

    Dec 10, 2009

    LOL, and Call of Duty
  11. Quiet

    Quiet Casino Goon

  12. blhar15


    Oct 11, 2000
    I think I would buy the FN SCAR right now over the ACR. The SCAR is released in black finish now and is just starting get to more production. The SCAR is pretty much mil-soec just like the military version with a 16" barrel and semi-auto and of course a 1/7 twist chrome-lined barrel. I have held a SCAR and they are very lightweight, nice handling.
  13. WayaX

    WayaX Lifetime Member

    Feb 27, 2007
    You also have to say "yes, I want to buy a gun that was great in design, but then butchered by the monkeys at Bushmaster. Also, I want to spend 1.5-2x the price that magpul wanted to originally sell it for. Still yet, I realize that the Bushmaster ACR isn't really a magpul Masada and has had many of the cool features such as the 7.62x39 caliber idea scrapped."

    Yeah, the Masada is dead to me. :crying:
  14. TimP

    TimP 1 Proud Infidel

    Jan 17, 2003
    the ACR = just another semi-auto 223.
  15. 12131

    12131 Monkeyboy CLM

    Nov 17, 2006
    God's Country (Texas)
    If you want to pay extortion money and be a beta tester, then get the ACR.:wavey:
  16. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

    Nov 24, 2005
  17. PlasticGuy


    Jul 10, 2000
    Until proven otherwise, you're absolutely right. The burden is on Bushmaster to prove why an overweight and overpriced rifle with a second rate barrel should be the most expensive production combat rifle in the country. So far they have fallen way short of that goal.
  18. TimP

    TimP 1 Proud Infidel

    Jan 17, 2003
    im not trying to be a dick folks, im really not. But like plastic guy said "prove why an overweight and overpriced rifle with a second rate barrel should be the most expensive production combat rifle in the country"

    I have shot a ACR/Masada, and the ergonomics are very good. When the rifles price was 1000-1500 or so, it would have bene easier to swallow. 2500+, no thanks.
  19. Constructor

    Constructor Moderator

    Dec 10, 2009
    agreed, you could build a really good running DI AR for $1200 complete with rails and upgrade parts then add accessories. and still have $1000 left for practice ammo.
  20. PlasticGuy


    Jul 10, 2000
    And for the record, I wasn't trying to be a jerk either. I'm no fan of the AR15, and I would love to see the ACR come out in a competitive price range with exceptional features and really kick butt. Unfortunately, that's not what I'm seeing. Maybe at some point in the future, but not now.

    I pawed them over extensively at the SHOT Show. The weight is a real issue, the Bushmaster folks really were being evasive about why they're using that particular barrel, and they told me the MSRP was over $3000 for the model with the collapsable/folding stock and railed forend. Even if they dropped the price by $1000, it would still be too heavy and have a crappy barrel. They've lost their minds, and lost their customer base.