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Building a PC, need a little help

Discussion in 'Tech Talk' started by Drjones, Jul 3, 2011.

  1. Hey guys.

    I'm ready for an upgrade to my main desktop PC.

    Here's the CPU I want:

    http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-2500...UXHQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309728426&sr=8-1

    and I have no idea what Mobo to get for it.

    Here's what I want my Mobo to have:

    • 6GBPS SATA
    • USB 3.0
    • 2 graphics card slots - I don't want SLI/crossfire, just want to possibly have 3 monitors. I already have one of these cards with Dual DVI that I use to run two monitors, and I'm considering adding a third 27"... :cool: Hence the need for a second graphics card slot.

    Any suggestions?

    I currently have a Dell Dimension E521 and I'm hoping to use that case - will I be able to?

    Will I have to get a new PSU? Will I have to get a CPU fan, or do they come with one?

    I currently have an OCZ 60GB SSD as my primary boot drive, but I'm thinking of installing that in my dad's computer and getting myself a 120GB 6GBPS as my boot drive, and also having a 2TB internal, as I currently do.

    I'll probably buy 8GB of RAM for my machine too....well, prob just 4 to start with. I periodically check my task manager in my current rig & I'm rarely anywhere near 2GB of usage & I only have 3GB in my current box.

    I don't need or want screaming/bleeding edge technology, just something nice & solid.

    Any other suggestions are welcome!
     
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  2. Pierre!

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    I have been lusting after the 2500K for a while.. .and these 2 ASUS boards look really Shweeeet....

    ASUS P8P67-M (REV 3.0)

    ASUS P8H67-M PRO/CSM (REV 3.0)


    P67 give you the option to drive the CPU performance... and the H67 will *rock* the video performance. I think it meets your additional requirements of 6Gb SATA and USB 3.0.

    Unfortuanatly, they are both mATX - the good news is that they will fit the APEVIA X-QPACK2, but they don't have the 3 monitor 2 Video Card Slot requirement you specked out...

    But it should give you a good lead on features. ASUS has always been good, and lately I am digging Gigabyte!

    New PSU - with 2 video cards? I say ... uhm ... Yah!
    Recycle the Dell case??? - No way, keep the Dell intact and clean it up and give it to a school kid who needs one. I have run the numbers, and it's better for me to 'publicly' donate to a kid who needs it than Craigslist my old stuff... and it would make some nice 'testimonials' for my business!

    So consider donating the Dell, and just build a new box.

    If you are looking for mainstream solid, Do Not waste the $$$ on the "K" series - It's built for overclocking, so you would be spending more than you need to....

    DualCore Sandies go down to65W... the big sistah QuadCore Sandies are 95W... but it sure beats the 125W that the AMD's are cranking up.

    It's a $15 difference on the i7 3.4Ghz, but if you are building another system, it all adds up.

    Build your system based on Watts, and you will see that you more than likely will need a new PSU depending on your Video card Watt draw... along with DVD, HD(s) (you are gonna RAID1 that bad boy, Right? :cool:), Video and processor needs...

    If you try an upgrade, you may end up disappointing yourself when you really need the system to run... I would do a 'press release' about the donation of a recycled system to a needy child at a school, and write it off and enjoy the phone calls.

    Make that kind of promotion a habit, and you may get a really good thing going for your business.

    Happy Shopping! This is a great weekend to purchase up!

    Hope that helps you out!
    Patrick - Who is slightly green with envy, but my upgrade time approaches! :supergrin:
     

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  3. Hey Patrick & thanks....you are always so helpful!

    Good call on the "K", but it seems that with the graphical BIOSes that so many boards run today, that it would be fairly simple to OC the 2500K just a little.....or is it not even worth it to OC? Would a few hundred extra Mhz make any significant difference at all?

    BTW, on amazon, there is only a $10 difference between the i5-2500 and 2500K.

    Hmmm....not sure if that was a typo on your part, but I went & looked up the i7-2600 & it's $299....tempting....:supergrin:

    Good call on recycling the Dell & I'll prob. do that, but I do have another identical case (Dimension 5150) with a fried MoBo that I can probably use.

    I don't know why, but I'm pretty opposed to buying a new case....I guess because I have tons of them lying around...:supergrin:

    So dumb question, but when looking at whether or not I need a PSU (and what wattage to get) all I need to do is add up the numbers of how many watts a given part draws, right? So if all the components in my case draw 515W, then I'd need like a 550W PSU, right?

    And no, not gonna RAID it - why would I when I'm dropping in a new 6GBPS SSD? :dunno::supergrin:
     
  4. Uhhhhh.....really dumb question, but is that your blog in your sig??

    Man, you're all over the internetz & I've read many of your posts before - you really have a ton of great material!

    Thank you for all the great blog posts!
     
  5. First question doc, what are you going to do with it? Second question, are you willing to spend time to research overclocking? Third question, are you willing to get an aftermarket heat sink instead of the cheap stock heat sink?

    If you recycle your current PC pull the hard drive from it. FBI standard is to wipe and rewrite with random 0s and 1s 21 times and then shred and burn the disk.

    What cases do you have? You have 2 choices in cases basically, easier maintenance but more frequent or less maintenance more involved. If you get a case with filters over EVERYTHING(I can't stress that enough, if you have open fans the other filters are worthless) then it's easy to clean the filters and replace them. No filters is better for cooling but you have to blow dust off more items and use compressed air to clean things.

    Overclocking isn't that difficult, but you need to learn about it.

    The I7 is always better then the I5, it's a question of how much you need/want. If you're gaming or doing graphics work I'd get the I7 if you're a casual user I'd get the I5. I would definitely suggest the K over the non K for the simple reason you might change your mind over time.

    I would suggest getting an 850 watt power supply over a 500 watt. Power supply's are more efficient with a lower load, this way if you decide to upgrade the graphics cards you don't need a new PS. I have a corsair 850 watt in mine that works well and is a modular design so you dont have as many cables lose.

    I would go with 1600mhz or above DDR3 ram and my preference is 8 gigs no matter what apps. The price is cheap enough. Get matching sets of ram if at all possible, they cost more but they're more likely to work out of the box then matching sticks of ram.
     
  6. Pierre!

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    No Dumb Questions... :cool:

    I would give it waaaay more head room - Figure that 515W is the 70% range of the PSU - so.... When I take 70% of a 750Watt, I get 525W. You want some head room for growth, and as PSU's approach their Watt rating they will loose efficiency and put out more heat... Add to this even a minor overclock, and you will be waaaaay beyond the 55Watt rating.

    Overclocking *requires* clean power, and lots of it if you go big. Even with a slight OC you do want some headroom in the PSU.

    Arrite DrJones - Repeat after me - "If A Man Made It, It's Gonna Fail - Now We Are Just Dickering Around How HARD It Will Fail At The Most Inconvenient Time!"

    You've been doing this long enough... :rofl: You know better! :supergrin:

    I *love* building a new rig...

    Have Some fun, and Share What You Build!

    PS - Get a Windowed Fan for an OverClocked system... You will really want to know when a fan fails... don't ask how I know!!! :wow:

    PSS - Yes, that's my Blog, and currently it's linked to a chapter of the new eBook. When you download it, please give me some feedback! Helps me learn more gooder... especially my English... :)

    Oh - And thanks for the encouragement! I work to help solve issues, but don't get much feedback usually... So thanks for the kind words Dr Jones! I appreciate that!
     
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  7. GotGlock1917

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    I've got my eye on a i7 2600K Sandy Bridge and some Gigabyte MOBOs with the Z68 chip set.

    What's your take on them? Have you dealt with Z68 Gigabyte boards or have any info?
     
  8. Pierre!

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    Great question(s) GotGlock1917 -

    I am gathering that the Z68 is more of a multimedia 'empowered' chipset, and should be very similar to the H67 in most respects.

    From what I read, there is some ability to overclock on this chipset as well.

    The integrated graphics engine on the i7/i5/i3 processor combined with the H67 and Z68 are reported to be great for general use, but for gaming a discrete video card is recommended///

    The good news - the i7 and i5 processors will 'empower' either option - overclocking or graphics/multimedia.

    If the mATX boards work for you, then the cost to change to a different direction - CPU Overclock vs Video Overclock - will be less of an impact. So you think you made a bad decision for your needs, simply swap out the MoBo.

    When you go to the whiz-bang ATX boards the costs are really getting up there for the higher end boards. And, with that much $$$ tied up in a processor AND MoBo, the decision may be more difficult.

    Personally, I think for most folks there is no mistake to be made. Most folks could really take advantage of the business class Video / Media options which will save on cost, and very few will really overclock to take advantage of the speed....

    So -
    H67 gives you business graphics for video without the requirement for an add on card - $ave money by not buying a graphics card, and you PSU will have less load.

    Z68 combines the business graphics AND overclocking of the processor - I wonder how well it really does this?

    P67 - Great overclocker, no built in graphics support - You would need to have a video card.

    HTH
    Patrick
     
  9. gemeinschaft

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    I have to agree with Dr. Jones. RAID is fine for some applications, but in this instance, having a backup image as well as keeping backups of his data would bee just fine.

    That 6GPS SSD sounds sweet!
     
  10. GotGlock1917

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    Thanks so much for the info!

    Since I am intending to go with SLI video cards A Z68 might just be pointless?

    Maybe I'd be better off with a P67.

    Sorry for the delay in my reply. I posted my question prior to leaving for the weekend. Just got back.

    Again, thanks.

    John
     
  11. StarvinMarvin

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    This article here outlines the two main differences of z68 ( SSD caching and integrated graphics support).

    I wouldn't eliminate z68 boards from your search because price difference isn't great, but imo a p67 is fine for anyone who plans on using any type of discrete graphics card.

    What cards do you plan on using in SLI ?

    eta: Drjones, did you build it yet? just curious because I've been wanting to slap together a 2500k build but have no use for it lol. My old e8400 is still ok for now.
     
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  12. GotGlock1917

    GotGlock1917 Lifetime Member

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    Thank you for the link. I have the article bookmarked for further study.

    I'm not dead set on the video card yet but am currently planning something in the nVidia GeForce GTX 500 series.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2 600007779 600007835&IsNodeId=1&name=2 x DVI

    I don't know which manufacturer yet. I just bought an EVGA 9500 GT for my XPS 400. I haven't had it long enough to make any determinations other than I'm impressed with how quiet it is compared to my last card.
     
  13. Pierre!

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    I have pretty much decided to try the Z68.. Here is what I selected:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128503

    It's no inexpensive, but I like the feature set.

    It wasn't too long ago that I *bricked* one of my Gigabyte boards, and they honored a swap out RMA.

    It's pretty much the dominant MoBo in the SOHO, so I am gonna go with what I know.

    HTH..

    Patrick
     
  14. GotGlock1917

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    This is the group I was looking at but haven't decided which yet.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...6398 600008975&IsNodeId=1&name=1 x IEEE 1394a
     
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  15. IndyGunFreak

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    I have 1 rule when it comes to Motherboards...

    If it's not Asus or MSI, I do not get it. I'm not saying Shuttle, BioStar, etc.. don't make good boards, but the one time I deviated from this rule, I had a system that barely lasted a year. I've got 2 Asus based systems that are about 6yrs old and still going, and an MSI system that is about 8yrs old..

    I'm sure there's others out there that I've built for other... but.... that's my opinion.
     
  16. StarvinMarvin

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    In my limited experience... Ive built 3 computers and my brothers have built 2...

    the 3 asus and 1 gigabyte have been flawless the 1 biostar has had issues.

    Personally all my computers will use asus boards. Ive got an old asus a7n8-e board running an amd athlon xp chip that still runs strong.
     

  17. Hi & sorry for the delayed reply....work has been brutal...which is great!

    Anyway, no, have not built it yet. Still don't feel perfectly comfortable with what MoBo I want. I'm still confused about the options & need to do more research.

    I HAVE decided to go for the i7. It's only about $90 more than the i5-2500 I was going to get, and my time is money, so if I can get more speed for a little more money, it's worth it to me.

    I also will not be replacing this thing too soon....will probably rock it for at least 3-4 years, unless some really insane stuff comes out that makes an upgrade worth it to me.

    I have also decided to go with a more powerful PSU, as advised here.

    I'm also going to go with 8GB RAM to start with; was only going to go with 4.

    Dumb question, but the boards with build in DVI ports; those will be fully functional, right?

    So if I throw in my graphics card that has 2xDVI out, then I will be able to rock 3 monitors like I've been considering?
     
  18. IndyGunFreak

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    LOL, Small world... I built my sisters PC on that board several years ago. PC still works fine.
     
  19. kc8ykd

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    i had two of 'em, now i have one that still works, although, it's power supply recently died.

    the other started occasionally corrupting data written to one of the sata busses. i thought it was the disk that was the problem, then the mobo died. i threw the disk into another machine and it's been fine ever since.

    they're nice boards. personally, i prefer asus quality and features. i've dealt with so many manufacturers over the years, eventually one realizes they're electrical devices and they'll all die at some point.

    the first one i got from newegg was doa too, but newegg's rma process was super easy and i had another one two days later.
     
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