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Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by cmalone1, Jan 27, 2011.

  1. cmalone1

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    So I'm going to finally take the dive and get my first AR! I shot one tonight and that made me decide it HAVE to have one!! But i'm tighter than bark on a tree and wanna get the most for my money...now it's not that I don't want to spend it I know you get what you pay for...BUt with that being said...everyone has told me that if I buy and upper and a lower and piece then together I can save a good amount of dough!! So what I'm asking for is your guys opinions on whether I should do this or not? I have a buddy who's uncle has built many ARs that I'm going to talk to about helping me with it...SO if anybody has any good places to buy uppers and lowers I would appreciate it!!
     
  2. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

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    Buy the upper, and if you have the mechanical ability of a retarded monkey, get a stripped lower, assemble it, and slap the two together. Can get exactly what you want, and probably save a bit over an identical rifle fully assembled. Plus, you get a much better idea how the rifle works, which is always a good thing.
     

  3. kgain673

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    If it's your first build the lower, I've built three and now I just want to buy a complete lower and not bother with searching for the detents when the fall on the floor. I'm lazy.
     
  4. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

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    Get one of the big ziplock bags (1 or 2 gallon, I forget). Do all the work inside there, and you'll never have to worry about chasing springs or detents :supergrin:
     
  5. cmalone1

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    Thanks for the input guys!! I'm definately thinking building is the way to go!!
     
  6. Halojumper

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    I tried that, but I tore it trying to get inside it! :)
     
  7. cmalone1

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    Can I build a good gun for 650? ALso what are steel lined uppers going for? I wouldn't mind buying a used lower and putting more money in a new upper...
     
  8. BBJones

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    Good gun for what? I don't think I could build a new gun for $650 that I would use as a duty gun. If just for blasting at the range, even $650 is a little low. My advice would be to a get a BCM or DD upper and whatever milspec lower. For about $850 you can get a pretty awesome rifle that will run like a top. Don't skimp on the parts that matter (barrel, bcg, etc.).

    I would do some serious research before you run out and buy parts for your build. I also wouldn't rely on a friend or family member who has done it before because who knows how much time they put into research themselves. Assembling the parts is the easy part.
     
  9. Bushflyr

    Bushflyr ʇno uıƃuɐɥ ʇsnɾ Millennium Member

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    No.

    There is no such animal. Go read some more.


    First smart thing you've said.
     
  10. cmalone1

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    I found a Rock RIver lower assembled for 250 and I am about to buy a daniel defense upper with the quad rail and just put them together....
     
  11. BBJones

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    Why a huge rush? Relax, breath and go do a ton more research. Make sure you are getting something you really want configuration wise. While I like DD uppers (and almost all of their rails), you may end up finding they are not for you.

    Just curious, which upper are you looking at?
     
  12. jrs93accord

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    It is possible if you shop wisely, you can build one between $650 - $700. I recently built this DS Arms ZM4 for about $700. The barrel is not chrome-lined. It is not a big issue with me since I clean my weapons promptly after use.

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    You can get into a Del-Ton build for about the same money.
     

  13. You can get a del-ton kit with a chrome lined 1-7 for 530 and a lower for another 100 or less. Whatever you decide good luck with it.
     
  14. Isn't this the "9mm vs 45" question of the AR world?

    Here is what I have found.

    For about 650 bucks, I can buy an already built rifle that is not a Colt or LMT, but far from crap.

    The first is a CMMG Bargain Bin rifle. I saw one that came in to a local gun store for transfer and was shocked. The thing looked no different than most brand new ARs. A total steal. Slap a cheap red dot or Magpul rear on it and you're shooting.

    The second is the wide array of nearly new Bushmasters I see, being sold on Gunbroker and other sites in the 650 dollar range. I have seen many lightly used Bushy Patrolman's Carbines with a "buy it now" price of 650 dollars lately. Most of these rifles were probably bought during the 08 Obama gun craze and the owners now need cash.

    I also put pencil to paper and added up getting all the parts on my own and included shipping charges and tax, if I bought them locally. Most of my estimates came in at less than 100 bucks from the 650 dollars wanted for the CMMG or used Bushy ARs that were already put together.

    So its your call, but with rifles like these two out there in the 650 range...its hard to put together a decent AR for less money.

    This is what I found...YMMV.

    - brickboy240
     
  15. cmalone1

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    It's the 16" m4 profile with the carbine gas system, flat top with 12" quad rails with low pro gas block(I don't want the front sight i wanna use magpul flip ups), 1 in 7" twist, it's an amazing upper for the price...I'm not in a huge rush just throwing around some ideas...and i've heard great reviews on them and love their rails as well...
     
  16. BBJones

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    Nice thinking. I would suggest you look into a mid-length gas system. Offer plenty of advantages over a m4 gas system for a 16" (softer shooting, less wear on parts, not as much gas, etc.). As for barrel profile it is up to you. I like LW profiles for weight saving but gov't profile is good too. You can't go wrong with DD. It will be quality.

    Since you mentioned it I like Magpul backup sights as backups not primary sights. They are not horrible and if you plan on adding a red dot or optics later you can start with them no problem. As stand alone sights there are better flip up options (Troy IMO) but typically cost more.

    good luck
     
  17. cmalone1

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    I'm gonna put the mid length gas system on it, I have heard great things about it...I'm thinking about keeping the m4 profile just for the bigger profile...the only onther profile I might like would be the gov't...

    And on the magpuls they will be backups...I'm gonna run a red dot on as the primary...
     
  18. Frog1

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    If want accuracy, build it right yourself. Del Ton non chromed lined barrels are Mossberg. They are tack driving barrels. Better than most of the match grade barrels I have seen. My $600 20 inch gun will shoot with all the high end guns. Better than most. The carbines are almost as accurate.

    Tactical Solutions has the best deal on these wonderful barrels. Use a BCM upper with a DSA lower. Perfect match. Use a CMT bolt carrier and bolt. Put a BCM extractor kit in for reliability. Free float. Yankee Hill or even UTG works really well. Don't worry about the Mil Spec noise on the internet. This will serve you well.
     
  19. Frog1

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    Tactical Innovations not Solution has these barrels on sale now. Read the review for the 20". I get the same results with cheap Privi ammo 62 grain off the shelf.
     
  20. arclight610

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    Last night I just built a pretty cheap (and lightweight upper).

    Carbon fiber upper receiver - $85
    ER Shaw 16" lightweight w/ barrel nut- $145
    MOE Carbine Handguards - $28
    Delta ring assembly - $12
    A2 FH and crush washer - $8
    DPMS Gas tube - $14
    DPMS charging handle - $14
    Front sight, detent, spring - $2
    Tube of moly grease - $2
    Snap ring pliers - $10
    Barrel nut wrench - $20

    I plan on putting it on a Plum Crazy lower that should be coming in today or tomorrow

    PC lower - $145
    Colt BCG - $95


    Total - whatever sights or optics you put on it = around $600

    It should weigh around 4.8-5.0 lbs