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British Gun Crime

Discussion in 'Important Gun Control Info' started by Jeff82, Apr 26, 2004.

  1. Ian

    Ian Millennium Member

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    Well all I can say gentlemen, is that I am glad that I don't live in England anymore ^3
     
  2. SgtKabar

    SgtKabar Semper Fidelis

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    Hey, Metallic,

    Enemies Foreign and Domestic by Matt Bracken is a real good read about how stuff can spin out of control. It's fiction, but you'll find it a hard book to put down. Amazon has it or you can order directly from Matt Bracken at http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com
     


  3. RENEA

    RENEA Black Rifle guy

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    Why in the world would one need to learn first aid for gunshot wounds in England? Aren't guns illegal there? I'd have thought it would be all Mary Poppins , candycanes and buttercups from there out...;Q
     
  4. theairdog

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    I hope that we never wind up the same way.
     
  5. SgtKabar

    SgtKabar Semper Fidelis

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    So now the Islamofacists have attacked the public transport system in London, killing some and maiming many. Missing one or more limbs or faculties such as eye sight for the rest of one's life is one of the results of these kinds of bombings. And for those who were at the blast sites but not injured, the psychological wounds will never heal.

    But now that the Brits have been completely disarmed, a citizen couldn't have stopped the bombing even if he'd seen what was going on. And the way Britain's justice system has been handling cases of self defense the "vigilante" who might have tried to stop the perps barehanded would most likely have been tried for "offensive conduct." What a sorry state of affairs in what was once a proud country.
     
  6. Jeff82

    Jeff82 NRA Benefactor CLM

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    Geez,

    You'd think with over 100,000 cameras (just around London) and all the gun and violence control, Big Brother Nanny should've been able to safeguard the citizens of the realm! Of yeah, almost forgot, it's not interested in safeguarding, it's interested in controlling and suppressing...

    :(
     
  7. TommyT

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    Hardly surprising considering most are illegal here. :)

    My first post on here and I must say I am somewhat astonished with the ignorance some members of this forum view the laws of the UK. Many of you seem to try to compare the UK to what may or may not happen to gun laws in the US. In my honest opinion it's not really realistic to do this as the cultures are totally different.

    Strict gun law in the UK finds it's roots in 1987, and a horrific incident in the quiet country town of Hungerford. SEE HERE

    Following that incident all automatic weapons were banned, with no exceptions.

    Then on 14th March 1996 THIS HAPPENED

    Following that equally horrific incident all handguns were banned.

    Now you as Americans certainly dont seem to agree with our laws, but equally, you dont seem to understand why they are there. We are a democracy and the new laws were universally popular and called for by the public.

    I for one am not going to criticise your gun laws. You have the right to bear arms, and fair play to you, but please, oh please, don't criticise ours. They were introduced to protect the public, and for the most part are very effective. Contrary to what you might see on the news, gun crime here is very low.
    How do I know this? Well, ok, time for me to tell you what I do. I am a police officer. It is true that most UK officers are unarmed, and nearly all WANT TO CONTINUE be unarmed. We are a civilian force and therefore police by consent of the citizens.

    We do have firearms teams, and very effective they are too, but to be honest they are rarely needed (Although they are ALWAYS available)

    Sure, bad things happen here, they do everywhere, but please bear in mind things are very different here. British people dont want guns everywhere. It's as simple as that.

    I have spent a lot of time in the States (I have family in Texas) and I must say I love it out there, and I love the culture. I am comfortable around guns, indeed I use guns on a regular basis.
    It may surprise some of you to know that hunting rifles and shotguns are legal here. I enjoy hunting, and do it on a regular basis.

    The point of this post? I just wanted to maybe help some of you understand the reasons things here are like they are. I'm certainly not here to pass judgement on you or the use of firearms in your country.

    Thanks for your time,

    Tom.


    P.S. Coolknight - A lot of us know quite a bit about guns actually

    :)
     
  8. TommyT

    TommyT

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    Took the words right outta my mouth! ;D
     
  9. Ian

    Ian Millennium Member

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    What????
    You are not allowed to carry a pocket knife, you are not even allowed to carry pepper spray!!!
    What nonsense.
    My mother just came back from a stay in London, and was with her sister traveling on London Transport. She resisted having her purse snatched (like she did the year before on a London Bus) and the "gentleman" struck my Aunt around the face.
    No one came to their assistance.
    What a farce.
    You have no right to protect yourself in the UK.
     
  10. TommyT

    TommyT

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    Unfortunately you are showing your ignorance of English Law.

    Everyone has the right to defend themselves. The legal definition is "with as much force as is reasonable in the circumstances". If that means a pre-emptive strike to prevent an attack on your person, then sobeit. As long as your actions can be justified, then you are allowed to use force.

    You can carry a pocket knife, as long as it is not a lock knife or in excess of 3 inches.

    It is true, you cannot carry pepper spray. Pepper spray is a class 5 firearm under English law. Police (including myself) carry CS or Pepper spray routinely.

    I cannot comment on your aunts experience. I do not work in London. I work in a county police force, where all violent crime is dealt with the utmost importance.
    In not saying the UK isn't violent. London, like any other large city in the world suffers with many violent incidents.

    What has your aunt being mugged got to do with gun crime?

    Did the attacker point a gun in her face (like what would be the norm in a major US city?) I doubt it.
     
  11. hokieglock

    hokieglock Proud Infidel

    TommyT, you are a prime example why i will never move to the UK. Oh, and pretty much the only people moving to your country are muslim terrorits. I'd still be speaking with a limey accent had my fore fathers been disarmed. Probably with a 60% tax rate also. You guys are our allies and friends but just don't get it about our 2nd amendment.
     
  12. hokieglock

    hokieglock Proud Infidel

    i wonder why all you europeans, besides the swiss, have no guns listed below your sig line? can you carry off duty?
     
  13. TommyT

    TommyT

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    No. I don't carry one ON duty either.

    Don't get your 2nd ammendment? No, of course I don't. And you don't get our laws. That's my point. Our countries have differnt laws for their own reasons. Yours works for your country, ours works for mine.

    I posted on here to maybe introduce some understanding as to why we have the laws we do, not to turn this thread into a slanging match.
     
  14. hokieglock

    hokieglock Proud Infidel

    no slanging?;z
     
  15. TommyT

    TommyT

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    Yes we are, and I for one am proud of that friendship. My younger brother is in Iraq with the army now, doing his bit. You mention the swiss, but are they your brothers in arms when the brown stuff hits the fan?
     
  16. TommyT

    TommyT

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    ok, fair point. :)

    I was just trying to prove a point. Badly. ;Q
     
  17. hokieglock

    hokieglock Proud Infidel

    correct, the swiss will just make watches and chocolate while we(the u.s. and uk) take care of terrorists. but it's gotta be cool to have a fully auto sig558(model #?)under your bed.
     
  18. TommyT

    TommyT

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    Does kinda have an appeal I suppose. Knowing my luck though, I'd blow my ears off. ;i
     
  19. TommyT

    TommyT

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    Not last time I looked at my paycheque! :)
    We actually have one of the lowest income tax rates in Europe.

    And it's great not having to pay for healthcare. ;f
     
  20. hokieglock

    hokieglock Proud Infidel

    i shall sleep much better tonight. especially with my G22 loaded with speer gold dots in my nightstand.;?