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Brady Campaign proves gun control doesn't work

Discussion in 'Important Gun Control Info' started by Debunk Brady, Apr 1, 2007.

  1. Debunk Brady

    Debunk Brady

    Mar 1, 2007
    This is a little file I put together. I took the Brady Campaign's state report cards and compared them to each state's violent crime rate, and got some interesting results.

  2. Debunk Brady

    Debunk Brady

    Mar 1, 2007
    I am going to post a couple other files in here for anyone interested in reading.
  3. dman86


    Sep 24, 2005
    On your blog, change the font color of the hyperlinks under facts and stats. It's the same color as the background. Good work and keep up the fight.
  4. Ulstulst


    Feb 20, 2007
    Boulder, Colorado
    Correlation does not equal causation. In order for this to work, you would have to control for other factors that influence crime, like poverty levels, unemployment rates, demographics, police presence, etc. This makes a study of this nature MUCH more difficult.

    An independent study published in the American Journal of Economics and Sociology called "The Effectiveness of Legislation Controlling Gun Usage" made an attempt at controlling for other independent variables linked to crime. They holistically "graded" the gun control laws in each state and their grades were similar to those of the Brady Campaign. They then used a "multivariate linear regression analysis," meaning they controlled for the other independent variables mentioned above, to try to establish a causal link (rather than a simple correlation) between gun control and crime.

    Even with a study as complex as this one, there are still flaws that make it arguably inaccurate. Your study is a good exercise, but it by no means proves anything.

    I personally am against stricter gun control, but I just wanted to point out what your opposition would tell you if you showed them this study. Playing the "devil's advocate," if you will.

    EDIT: I just saw your disclaimer at the bottom of the page where you say basically the same thing I just said. I agree that it is an interesting study, just not a definitive one. I also agree that, from the research I've done and from the common sense/logical argument, gun control just doesn't work.
  5. STG


    Oct 4, 2005
    I love this map from the Brady Campaign:


    I live in Wyoming. You'd think that a state rated "F" would have had at least one high profile gun incident since 1997.

    You want solutions? Do what I did. Move to a state rated "F".:wavey:
  6. Egyas

    Egyas Troll Hater

    Oh snap! The Brady group just got pwned!
  7. waltherone


    Aug 26, 2006
    Houston, TX
    While their poster child state, California, rated A-, has 3 high profile shootings? Sweet.
  8. Jerry

    Jerry Staff Member Moderator Millennium Member

    Dec 21, 1998
    If you check the high profile shooting in Louisiana I’ll be it's the one where the police were the shooters. Guess we need to take their firearms. :animlol:
  9. Bearjing


    Apr 17, 2007
    I live in New Mexico -- An F with no high profiles also.
    Gotta love it!
  10. STG


    Oct 4, 2005
    Yeah, but Wyoming's "F" is lower than yours!:wavey:
  11. SJRTX

    SJRTX Plastic Lover

    Mar 5, 2005
    Are the files hosted anywhere else? They seem to have been removed.
  12. WIG19

    WIG19 Light left on

    Oct 27, 2003
    Renegade State
    If one believes that there are limitless causal factors that contribute to a person's decision to behave criminally, then the Brady folks have won. How about "willingness to commit criminal acts" as a cause? I don't find many grieving mothers of dead or incarcerated perpetrators suing people because they can't cloak little Johnny ("such a good child") in one of those wrappers.

  13. 3/325

    3/325 Infidel Artist

    Sep 28, 2006
    Kingston, WA
    What exactly IS a "high profile" shooting? Is that a certain attacker-to-body count ratio? Is it a shooting that's sensationalized and misrepresented by the media?

    How about a map of successful crime stopping because of an armed citizen? (No, I'm not really interested in the reasons why that would be unfeasible)