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Bounty hunters and other badge having folks.

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by Rabbi, May 21, 2011.

  1. Rabbi

    Rabbi The Bombdiggity Lifetime Member

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    CCW badge jokes aside (well, maybe not...)

    1. How is your relationship with "bail enforcement agents" in your area. How about your agencies relationship?

    2. Any interesting stories?

    3. By extention, any interesting stories, (funny) about people with badges?


    I am not looking for anything, I saw a "Bail Enforcement Agent" badge another Officer the other day. (he looking for professional courtesy on a stop.) (he didnt get it) and it just made me wonder if anyone had any good or funny stories about people and badges?
     
  2. Narc1911

    Narc1911 Anchora Salutis

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    Bail Agents are the bottom of the barrel scum bags around here. Most are dopers or close associates with various criminal organizations. We regularly arrest them or have to investigate them.
     


  3. groovyash

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    Agreed. Bail Agents are usually dregs. Very rarely deal with them but on occassion I have found it best to avoid them at all costs.

    In PA we have Constables, who are legit L.E. empowered to make arrests in certain circumstances however it's fairly common to find them vastly overstepping what would be considered their purpose. It's a shame actually because a good Constable who is professional is worth their weight in gold for grabbing dirtbags on summary warrants etc.
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2011
  4. I thought it was against the law in Texas for anyone in the bounty hunter trade to wear anything, including badges that said Bail Agent or similar that would give the appearance of law enforcement.
     
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  5. DaBigBR

    DaBigBR No Infidels!

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    Circling the wagons.
    Only ever heard of any real LE interaction with them around here one time. They were doing a revocation on somebody out on a vehicular homicide charge. They knew where he was and he had an active warrant. They called the PD and the PD went and got him. Obviously these folks worked directly for the bonds company, so there was no more or less money for them to be made actually bringing him in.

    FWIW, they find him, arrest him, and he shoves an officer while handcuffed and runs. They deploy K9 and the first officer chasing the guy ends up getting bit. In the heat of the moment, the handler was yelling the wrong officer's name telling him to stop. They found the guy hiding between a bush and a chain link fence...guess which side they saw him from?
     
  6. Rabbi

    Rabbi The Bombdiggity Lifetime Member

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    He was not wearing it and the law states this:

    3) wear, carry, or display any uniform, badge, shield, or other insignia or emblem that implies that the private investigator is an employee, officer, or agent of the federal government, the state, or a political subdivision of the state; or

    (b) Notwithstanding Subsection (a) (3), a private investigator may display identification that indicates that the person is acting on behalf of a bail bond surety

    I guess the line would be, does the badge itself imply those things, or does the badge HAVE to imply those things for this to apply.

    I dont know the answer to that. I imagine I need to find out.
     
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  7. This is what I was thinking about...


    § 35.39 Uniform Requirements

    This portion is a limited display of this rule;

    ...d. No license shall display a badge, shoulder patch, logo or any other identification which contains the words “Law Enforcement” and/or similar word (s) including, but not limited to: agent, enforcement agent, detective, task force, fugitive recovery agent or any other combination of names which gives the impression that the bearer is in any way connected with the Federal government, State government or any political subdivision of a State government.
     
  8. mrsurfboard

    mrsurfboard The Anti-Glock

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    I've been in LE over 15 years and have never had any encounters with bounty hunters.
     
  9. Rohniss

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    Never seen a Bondsmen/Bail Agent that wasn't a piece of ****, going by the opinions espoused by some over in GnG my opinion hasn't changed one iota.

    I always run bondsmen for warrants whenever they drop someone off...

    Its amazing how many warrants I clear that way...
     
  10. blueiron

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    I have run into a few of them over the years and they rated below the local "aqui compra - aqui paga" repossession drivers until a number of years ago.

    In an infamous incident in Phoenix years ago, a group of bounty hunting clowns forced their way in an armed home invasion and killed some innocent homeowners. The outcry was enough to garner a change in the State law to crack down on them.
     
  11. DMF

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    Well I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I'm sure there are some bounty hunters who try to be professional, and are more than just thugs trying to scrape up some money.

    However, the vast majority of bounty hunters do have at the least a "shady past," and often have an extensive criminal history themselves.

    I will say this, a friend of mine once worked with a bounty hunter to catch several criminals. That bounty hunter was what we call a "cooperating defendant." He provided information on his criminal associates as part of a deal to reduce his own jail time.

    Here is a simple checklist that most bounty hunters seem to follow to get into the business:

    1- Apply to several LE agencies, and find out you don't qualify.
    2- Decide since LE is too difficult to get into, you will try to be a fireman, only to find out it's just as difficult to get in, if not more so.
    3- Start applying for corrections jobs only to realize, again, that requirements are just as tough as they were for cops and firemen.
    (ALTERNATE: get hired for a job in phase 1,2, or 3, only to get fired, then skip to step 6)
    4- Look into becoming a PI until you realize that most states have enough licensing requirements that you don't qualify.
    5- Become a bouncer while reading all the crap you can on bounty hunters.
    6- Take some "training" from another bounty hunter that will hopefully make you contacts that will get you some work.
     
  12. Navy HMC

    Navy HMC

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    We had one shoot himself in the leg in these parts a few years ago....Their bonded subject got away in the confusion-with the hand cuffs as I recall.
     
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  13. 1 old 0311

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    Gee you mean they aren't all as 'professional':rofl::rofl: as Dog?:wavey:
     
  14. opelwasp

    opelwasp ZOG/MORON LUBE

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    We have a local bondsman that uses family members as agents. They are mostly retired LEO's from my agency. An actual good group, and know how to operate within and with the law. Doesn't hurt that they can actually carry guns and we can trust they arn't going to do anything stupid with it. And mullets are not allowed!
     
  15. Hack

    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

    What?! No mullets?! :supergrin:
     
  16. merlynusn

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    My only real interaction was we were trying to serve a warrant, but didn't have PC he was in the house though we suspected he was. The bondsmen came because they had gotten called to. They just went in and got him and gave him to us.
     
  17. Cochese

    Cochese Most mackinest CLM

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    We had two of these fine gentlemen show up in our AOR last night. Pulled up in a huge lifted blacked out truck complete with neckchained badges and black outfits.

    We LOL'd.
     
  18. BossGodfrey

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    My cousin is a bondsman in Daytona. Laugh all you want, he makes 80,000 a year working part time. Has police officers, attorneys and judges calling him on a regular basis to bond out family members.He admits most bondsman are scum but not all ! I've been with him only many nights when he kicks in a door by himself to arrest some POS. Gotta say, that takes some balls. I would venture to guess most cops would not have the balls to do that by themselves! we have some decent cops in this area most just sit back and watch him do his job. I think the reason most respect him, he will not enter if children are in the home. He told me once he will not harm or traumatize children over money. But it is the most corrupt business he has ever been a part of he also told me.
     
  19. Rabbi

    Rabbi The Bombdiggity Lifetime Member

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    Lets start with the third claim, because I'll go ahead and give you he is a bondsman and lives in Daytona.

    Explain to us how you now what he makes. Seriously. Did you do his taxes? Did he tell you? Did you audit his finances? Tell us exactly how you know what his income is.

    We'll work on everything after you get past that.