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BoG Quiz Again - 10 More Questions

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by horge, Jan 27, 2006.

  1. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    Sequel to the first BoG Quiz...
    Just for fun again... subukan n'yo lang if you like!
    :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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    1. How many firearms (long, short) can a qualified Filipino possess under license?

    2. How many 'members' can the Band of Glockers claim/count?

    4. What is the issue sidearm of the Philippine National Police?

    5. Name at least 5 Philippine brands of ammunition.

    6. What was the first modern firearm commercially-manufactured in the Philippines?

    7. Who is BoG's Dread Lord of Dryfire... The Doom of Glock breechfaces everywhere?

    8. Name the only Filipino polymer-frame handgun currently in production.

    9. Why is sand inferior to water, used as bullet stops/traps at firing ranges?

    10. Are modern pistol barrels button-rifled? Why?


    Bonus question: What do you term a bullet with a metal (typically copper)
    jacket covering its entire surface?



    :)
    horge
     
  2. Allegra

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    4 - DAO beretta 92 FS pero the pistol that won the trials was cz
    Uso kasi nun ang Lethal Weapon
     


  3. Alexii

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    I can only attempt to answer three, including the bonus question:

    4) Beretta 92D (or the DAO model Allegra mentioned)

    7) Homogenizer

    Bonus: TMJ (Total Metal Jacketed)

    Nice job, H!;c
     
  4. atmarcella

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    1. How many firearms (long, short) can a qualified Filipino possess under license?
    1 long and 1 short

    2. How many 'members' can the Band of Glockers claim/count?

    4. What is the issue sidearm of the Philippine National Police?

    5. Name at least 5 Philippine brands of ammunition.

    6. What was the first modern firearm commercially-manufactured in the Philippines?
    squire bingham .38 special

    7. Who is BoG's Dread Lord of Dryfire... The Doom of Glock breechfaces everywhere?

    8. Name the only Filipino polymer-frame handgun currently in production.
    armscor ap9

    9. Why is sand inferior to water, used as bullet stops/traps at firing ranges?
    hydrodynamics

    10. Are modern pistol barrels button-rifled? Why?
    no, button rifling process causes stress, w/c needs to be relieved, they are only suitable to rifle barrels, pistol barrels are to short for button rifling
     
  5. atmarcella

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    Bonus question: What do you term a bullet with a metal (typically copper)
    jacket covering its entire surface?

    FMJ
     
  6. Eye Cutter

    Eye Cutter Moderator

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    Originally posted by horge
    Sequel to the first BoG Quiz...
    Just for fun again... subukan n'yo lang if you like!
    :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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    1. How many firearms (long, short) can a qualified Filipino possess under license?

    as many as your wallet will allow

    2. How many 'members' can the Band of Glockers claim/count?

    i stopped counting when gundog came aboard!

    4. What is the issue sidearm of the Philippine National Police?

    beretta 92 DAO

    5. Name at least 5 Philippine brands of ammunition.

    armscor, bullseye, silver bullet, multishock, Bataan Munitions Plant, aahhhh, uuhhmmmm.... what else???

    but only armscor and the DND arsenal manufactures their own line of ammunition from their own components.

    all other local brands are loaded commercially from imported and local components, i.e. shells, heads, powder, primer, etc.

    6. What was the first modern firearm commercially-manufactured in the Philippines?

    a squires bingham rifle?

    7. Who is BoG's Dread Lord of Dryfire... The Doom of Glock breechfaces everywhere?

    Mr. DQ himself, homogenizer

    8. Name the only Filipino polymer-frame handgun currently in production.

    Armscor's AP-9 or something, the under license from tanfoglio force polymer pistol

    9. Why is sand inferior to water, used as bullet stops/traps at firing ranges?

    because if you use water drums as backstops, you'd end up flooding the whole bay!

    10. Are modern pistol barrels button-rifled? Why?

    nope. it's more expensive than using edm or chemical rifling. i think the other type of machine rifling is broach rifling

    Bonus question: What do you term a bullet with a metal (typically copper)
    jacket covering its entire surface? Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) still has the base of the bullet head exposed. The Total Metal Jacket (TMJ) covers the whole bullet head



    :)
    horge
     
  7. horge

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    QUITE A NUMBER OF CORRECT
    ANSWERS, PO!!! GOOD JOB
    CONTESTANTS!!!

    [​IMG]

    1. How many firearms (long, short) can a qualified Filipino possess under license?
    Doc Alvin got this one right!!!
    It used to be, under General Order 7-B (<--click), we were limited to 1 handgun and one long gun.
    This General Order 7-B was repealed utterly by Executive Order No. 194 (<--click) of 2000,
    which liberalized the TYPES of firearms allowed, but was silent on
    the NUMBER of firearms permitted for private, civilian possession.

    The year before that, Executive Order No. 164 (<--click)
    did allow up to 15 handguns and 6 rifles each for gun-club members.

    But that's not the end of it.
    Curiously, a printed flyer (2004) issued by PNP-CSG FED
    regarding the most recent Loose Firearms Amnesty
    sets into words what has apparently been in general practice
    since around 2002, presumably in observance of EO No. 194's
    liberal attitude towards civilian firearms ownership, and
    undoubtedly in celebration of the registration income generated:
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
    "A qualified applicant may register any number of firearms"
    Of course, there is the grotesque possibility that a fireram can
    be registered, but NOT licensed. It would then be stored indefinitely
    at FED on behalf of the 'owner', who wouldn't physically possess it.

    That sort of backhanded legality (with real precedents going as far
    back as 1912) might yet limit the theoretical number of firearms allowed
    for an individual's possession, but I have neither the cash nor cojones
    to test this thing, hahaha...



    2. How many 'members' have 'joined' the Band of Glockers?
    :) Come on guys... you can do this! :)


    3. Approximately how many new firearms are legally sold by dealers every year in the Philippines?
    :) Come on guys... you can do this! :)


    4. What is the issue sidearm of the Philippine National Police?
    Allegra got this one first!
    Yes, the Beretta 92 FS in DAO.
    These pistols were provided under a severely anomalous contract,
    wherein P.Beretta delivered only 29,364 units of 38,989 specified
    and paid for, the Filipino taxpayers eating over 70 Million pesos
    in losses thereby.

    Under 30,000 units actually delivered.
    PNP strength is over 117,000.
    So, there really aren't enough to go around.

    As a result, combined perhaps with a Filipino distrust of anything
    less than .45 ACP and the local availability of inexpensive
    M1911-pattern pistols, many LEO's provide their own sidearms:
    often hi-cap (double-stack) M1911-pattern platforms.



    5. Name at least 5 Philippine brands of ammunition.
    You were just one short, Alvin. BMP doesn't count. ;)
    My fault, likely:
    Perhaps I should have said 'commercial brands'
    Bravo, for your great notes on local ammunition-manufacturing capabillities!



    6. What was the first modern firearm commercially-manufactured in the Philippines?
    Doc Alvin scores again!
    The Squires Bingham Model 10 .22LR rifle, in 1952.



    7. Who is BoG's Dread Lord of Dryfire... The Doom of Glock breechfaces everywhere?
    You got this one right, Alexii, haha!
    Homogenizer indeed!
    Man, but I do miss hearing from Ivan.



    8. Name the only polymer-frame handgun currently produced in the Philippines.
    Try again! :) The Armscor AP9 is an all steel affair.


    9. Why is sand inferior to water, used as bullet stops/traps at firing ranges?
    Sorry for my inclarity!
    I meant, why is a pool of water superior to a pit of sand,
    for catching the bullet AFTER it has been deflected downward by
    an angled backstop at the rear of indoor-range bays.
    My apologies.


    10. Are modern pistol barrels button-rifled? Why?
    Nice going, atmarcella and Alvin!
    It's true that pistol barrels are almost never button-rifled,
    and the reason is a little more involved, though atmarcella
    summed it up nicely: a pistol barrel is short.

    Button rifling involves forcefully pulling a fluted mandrel
    through a blank barrel. The interior surface of the barrel
    has to deform to allow the turning mandrel to pass, and the
    deformation track left behind is the rifling. The lands and
    grooves slope softly into each other. It is fast, and therefore
    cheap over volume production.

    Hammer-forged rifling involves compressing a blank barrel onto
    a rod inserted into it, said rod bearing a negative impression
    of the desired rifling, The pressure forces the barrel interior
    to adopt the desired rifling contour. The lands and grooves are
    sharply in relief. It requires extreme accuracy and precision in
    the application of force, and is very expensive to invest in,
    although the per-unit cost (over volume) is good.

    Electric Discharge Machining, and Chemical Etching are fast, but
    often demand post-finishing to render truly straight/flat-bottomed
    grooves between the lands.

    In traditional cut-rifling, metal is progressively sheared away
    from the blank barrel's interior, and the result is sharply-defined
    and sharply-cornered lands and grooves. The rifling can be cut just
    one groove at a time --or, as is almost universal these days,
    all grooves simultaneously (broach-cutting). It is slow work,
    but provides the best results.

    Pistol barrels are so short that there's no real time-savings by
    resorting to button-rifling, which produces sloppier lands/grooves.
    atmarcella's comments on excessive stress apply especially to
    CAST barrel blanks --those are either cast with rifling roughly included,
    or else smooth castings are EDM'ed or CE'ed. They are all then
    'planed' smooth via broach-cutting (with most of the material
    already 'removed', there's little stress) and/or polishing.



    Bonus question: What do you term a bullet with a metal (typically copper)
    jacket covering its entire surface?

    Alexii got this one first again!
    TMJ indeed, and Alvin pointed out the difference between it and FMJ.


    ***

    Questions Nos. 2,3,5,8 and 9 to go:

    2. How many 'members' can the Band of Glockers claim/count?

    3. Approximately how many new firearms are legally sold by dealers every year in the Philippines?

    5. Name at least 5 Philippine (commercial) brands of ammunition.

    8. Name the only Filipino polymer-frame handgun currently in production.

    9. Why is sand inferior to water, used as bullet stops/traps (after the angled backstop deflects the bullet downward) at (indoor) firing ranges?


    GAME PA BA KAYO???

    [​IMG]
     
  8. isuzu

    isuzu

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    I'll Answer the bonus question: Brass Enclosed Base or BEB

    Ooops. Answered na pala. That's what's used in indoor ranges here, however.
     
  9. atmarcella

    atmarcella

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    ehem...

    APP 9


    Frame :Polymer
    Slide : Nickel Alloy Steel
    Caliber : 9 mm x 19
    Barrel Length: 113 mm (4.45 inches)
    Height : 135 mm (5.31 inches)
    Magazine Capacity : 16 rounds
    Action : Single/Double Action
     
  10. atmarcella

    atmarcella

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    oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh so that's why i already have more than 1 long and 1 short......and i thought it was just my charming good looks;f ;f ;f
     
  11. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    CORRECT ANSWER,
    MR. ATMARCELLA!!!

    [​IMG]

    8. Name the only polymer-frame handgun currently produced in the Philippines.
    atmarcella gets it right!
    and what a difference an extra 'P' makes...
    :)

    The Armscor AP9 is all steel
    The Armscor APP9 has the polymer frame.

    As Doc Alvin earlier noted, both above-named pistols are authorized copies of Tanfoglios.

    In reciprocity, Tanfoglio is presently making authorized copies of
    Armscor's Practical and GI Series 1911's in Italy and Turkey,
    for the European market.



    Questions 2, 3, 5, and 9 left!!
    2. How many 'members' can the Band of Glockers claim/count?

    3. Approximately how many new firearms are legally sold by dealers every year in the Philippines?

    5. Name at least 5 Philippine (commercial) brands of ammunition.

    9. Why is sand inferior to water, used as bullet stops/traps (after the angled backstop deflects the bullet downward) at (indoor) firing ranges?
     
  12. PMMA97

    PMMA97 TagaBundok

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    95 but some members like Doc EC have not signed up for the "BOG Number" thread.
     
  13. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    Alvin's having difficulty checking which numbers are already taken.
    Malabo na 'ata ang mata niya... Ngwehehehe.... ;e


    But seriously:

    2. How many 'members' can the Band of Glockers claim/count?
    Excluding obvious transients and the rare troll,
    we number quite a bit more than just ninety-five.

    I'll post my best-effort complete list of 'members'
    when someone here can guess the number ...ummmm, give or take
    say, twenty.

    :)
     
  14. atmarcella

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    9. Why is sand inferior to water, used as bullet stops/traps at firing ranges?
    water absorbs and captures the bullet, the bullet stays there, while at speed bullets have a small tendency to richochet thru sand
     
  15. deenoh

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    3. Approximately how many new firearms are legally sold by dealers every year in the Philippines?

    As many as their License to Operate/(Deal) allows
     
  16. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    Hi atm and Dino :)


    3. Approximately how many new firearms are legally sold by dealers every year in the Philippines?
    Hi Dino! :)
    I'm looking for an actual number!
    As in, an average annual sales figure,
    nationwide, and as based on fairly-recent data.



    9. Why is sand inferior to water, used as bullet stops/traps (after the angled backstop deflects the bullet downward) at (indoor) firing ranges?
    Hi again, atm! :)
    Applied properly, both adequately absorb/contain potential ricochets,
    especially since a projectile's already lost speed after coming down,
    off the angled backstop. Water's better than sand for another reason.
     
  17. Kiddo

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    9. Why is sand inferior to water, used as bullet stops/traps at firing ranges?

    My guess is because water molecules are held closer together than sand grains hence water slows the bullet down faster?
     
  18. deenoh

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  19. horge

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    3. Approximately how many new firearms are legally sold by dealers every year in the Philippines?
    Hi again, Dino!
    400,000 is a bit too high, for a year's worth of nationwide sales. :)



    9. Why is sand inferior to water, used as bullet stops/traps (after the angled backstop deflects the bullet downward) at (indoor) firing ranges?
    Hi Kiddo! :)
    You're right that water IS more dense than dry sand, but as a
    true fluid, it tends to give way to any intruding projectile.
    Friction between sand grains retards any fluid movement, and
    tends to 'stop' a bullet faster, or over a shorter distance of
    the projectile's travel. So, no dice.
    :)

    There's a key reason to prefer water to sand, and it has
    everything to do with the safety of range users.
     
  20. SMBeerDealer

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    [/size]
    9. Why is sand inferior to water, used as bullet stops/traps (after the angled backstop deflects the bullet downward) at (indoor) firing ranges? [/B][/QUOTE]

    Using water prevents dust and lead from being thrown into the air, thus making it safer for the shooters. Tama ba? ;f