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BOB advice

Discussion in 'Survival/Preparedness Forum' started by G19 A4, Jun 5, 2012.

  1. G19 A4

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    What is a good cubic inch capacity for a general/all-purpose (including possible foot bugout scenarios) BOB? Obviously, it shouldn't be too large or too small. 2,000cu in? 2,600cu in? I figure must haves are built in padded belts and hydration systems.

    I have ELIMINATED my options to the following:

    1. 1,334 - Blackhawk Patrol 60PP00 Pack

    2. 2,000 - Blackhawk 100oz X-1 RAPTOR 3 Day Assault Pack

    3. 2,135 - SnugPak Sleeka Force 35 Backpack

    4. 2,300 - Kelty Strike 2300 Tactical Backpack

    5. 2,440 - SnugPak Stanima 40 Backpack

    6. 2,500 - Kelty Raven 2500 Tactical Backpack

    7. 2,592 - CamelBak 61077 Motherlode 500 Cargo & Hydration Pack

    Any positives or negatives (especially regarding brand reputations). Thanks.
     
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  2. UneasyRider

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    The question for you is how much weight can you carry on your back all day?

    I don't plan on going anywhere so I concern myself with a GHB in the Jeep. Most of the bulk in the bag is clothing that will be coming out and going on my body for easy walking. The rest of the stuff does not take up much room and I try to keep the weight down as much as possible. For me it's about 25 pounds in 3000CI.
     


  3. auto-5

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    Man you are over thinking it. Just pick one that feels good and is back pack size.
     
  4. wjv

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    Yup!

    That means more than specs. .
     
  5. kirgi08

    kirgi08 Watcher. Silver Member

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  6. Bilbo Bagins

    Bilbo Bagins Slacked jawed

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    It really depends on how much stuff you want to put in your BOB.

    Get everything together, and measure the area the pile takes.

    It really depends on the person. Some people think they can get by on just a pack of Ramen noodles, a mylar survival blanket and 1000 feet of paracord. With that setup a 1,000 cubic inch pach is more than enough

    For me its between 2800 and 3400 Cubic inches, but I'm taking a sleeping bag, a shelter system, and 3 days of food. I intend on not dying no matter how cold and miserable it is outside.
     
  7. G19 A4

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    There is a GREAT sale going on a website so unfortunately it will be mail order. I will not be able to examine the packs up close and in person.
     
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  8. G19 A4

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    Am I to understand your pack is 3000ci and when stuffed with your gear weighs 25lbs? If that's the case, i may go with the 2000ci Blackhawk listed above (Especially because it may be necessary to foot bugout).

    I am looking to get two, one for my GF and will equip them both similarly for redundancy.
     
  9. Dexters

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    This.

    People get it backwards - they pick a pack then fill it up.

    My recommendation - get into hiking it will get you in shape and teach you about equipment.

    I've been hiking Colorado 14ers and I never stop learning about, equipment, climbing techniques and physical conditioning. Even with that there is a difference between alpine hiking and through hiking.
     
  10. UneasyRider

    UneasyRider C.D.B.

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    I guess it all depends on what you put in the pack.
     
  11. FireForged

    FireForged Millenium #3936 Millennium Member

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    forget all the tacti-kool stuff and just get a bag/pack that you can get your gear into and fits you well. If it wasnt for the fact that I am getting older (rather quickly) haha, I would still be using a plain ole canvas duffle.
     
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  12. BR549

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    I typically carry 3500+ ci packs for most multiday trips. It might not always be completely full - especially during mild temperatures.

    If you carry a shelter/sleepingbag/pad, clothes, pump filter, stove/pot, food/water...

    ...you'll use some space...

    ...then hygiene items (which some might not use :shocked:), first aid, utility, lighting, fire-making, comm/navigation.....

    ...then again...nobody in GTSP ever considers carrying anything for comfort... right??....:whistling:

    ...and you haven't even gotten to the near thousand rounds of ammo/magazines/firearms/accessories that certain posters here claim to carry for just exploring day hikes..........:upeyes:
     
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  13. Bilbo Bagins

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    What this ain't no camping trip, this is BUGGING OUT. You are suppose to sleep on the ground, using a mylar survival blanket for warmth, under your lean-to that you whipped up after hours of hacking branches with you 2lb survival knife and tied together with your 100 feet of paracord.

    Whether its sleeping in my truck, in the woods, or on a distant relative's living room floor I'll be OK with my pad, and sleeping bag.

    And if I'm outside most of my shelters can be put up, or broken down in less than 5 minutes.
     
  14. BR549

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    I forgot where I was. This is the place where we do things the most difficult and least efficient way possible..

    WHO NEEDS A PACK??? Put everything you need in your cargo pockets. Tie anything extra up in a canvas tarp and tie it to a stick to carry over your shoulder. If it don't fit that way....you don't need it.

    .....sarcasm directed at various others - not specifically in this thread - not you...

    I bet you'd probably do your shelter even more quickly if it was raining.

    :thumbsup:
     
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  15. bdcochran

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    A number of years ago, I was a distributor for a competitor of Tactical Tailor.

    I had the same questions as OP. However, I decided that the quality of a three day pack was more important than:
    1. a distributor's discount;
    2. the actual volume of a decent pack.

    Accordingly, I purchased three Tactical Tailor 3 day packs.

    I put a bag in each car. Overtime, I reached the logical conclusion that my car trunk could accommodate more gear than a three day pack. So, I decided that if I were out with the car when shtf, I would just have to have 15 minutes to decide what items were most critical to stuff into the three day bag.

    As for carrying packs, I simply observe that too many people watch movies. You are going to have a difficult time carrying a pack weighing more than 30 pounds unless you have been doing so daily for a few months prior to shtf. And, if you think I am full of poop, take this simple test. With just a hat, canteen/hydration unit, jacket and a pocket knife, walk just one measured hour continuously this next Saturday or Sunday. Then honestly contemplate whether you can walk for one hour with a 30, 40, or 60 pound pack.:wavey:
     
  16. cowboy1964

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    Get the largest one. Whatever you think is "large enough" won't be (but yes, assuming you can carry it with everything in it).

    Kelty makes great stuff.
     
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  17. Bushflyr

    Bushflyr ʇno uıƃuɐɥ ʇsnɾ Millennium Member

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    I've carried a ton of packs from micro Camelbaks to day packs to my monster tandem paragdliding pack. Weighing from next to nothing to ~80 lbs. And really, more than about 40l and 40lbs is going to be WAY too much for 90% of the population. Especially if you need to cover ground at anything faster than a snails pace.

    I just ordered Kelty Courser 40 for $75 off Amazon. My other travel pack is a Lowe Contour Mountain 40, which is a great size, i use it for 3-4 day camping trips and 1-2 week vacations all the time, but it has no internal frame and non weight bearing hip belt, so doesn't carry weight that well.

    IMO, something in the ~40l range with non military styling is the best choice. I also like taller rather than wider, they carry better in general.
     
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  18. Cavalry Doc

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    I was going to add my 2 cents, but there is 2 dollars worth of info above. Read it.

    120 pounds of high speed light weight gear, STILL WEIGHS 120 pounds.......
    - Wish I remembered the name of the SF soldier that gave me that pearl of wisdom.
     
  19. Aceman

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    You don't have to fill a bigger pack, but you can't use space you don't have. The bigger pack doesn't really weight any more, but it can do more.

    That said - who am I we kidding? You KNOW you'll fill extra space in any pack....
     
  20. BR549

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    +1 -> You're right, until experience is obtained.

    I have found when I sit down at night after making camp or when packing again in the morning...

    ..I start thinking, "I didnt' use that...don't want to use that...don't have a use for that...don't need that...don't want to carry that...don't want that taking up space or in the way..."

    I consider this categorical list for all trips:

    1 - Pack / Packing Materials
    2 - Shelter / Clothing / Sleeping / Hygiene / Fire
    3 - Water / Filtration-Purification / Food-Nutrition / Preparation / Fire
    4 - First Aid / Medical / H2O Purification / Fire
    5 - Navigation / Communication / Light / Fire
    6 - Utility / Tools / Specialty

    .
     
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