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Discussion in 'Reloading' started by sheltbt, Nov 9, 2011.
Has anyone tried these?
Thanks in advance
I have a friend that uses them all of the time.
They are a bit "smoky". Not so good for indoors.
Fine for shooting outdoors.
I know this is contrary to their advertising - but .....
A bit off topic, but I use powerbond bullets and have great results. They cost about an additional $10 per 1000 as compared to Black Bullets.
Precision Delta has both beat for price & they are real jacketed bullets. The Black bullets hoot fine, very soft & the coating is easily scraped or knicked during reloading, messes w/ accuracy. Add to that the coating it lays down in the bbl & unless you want to stick to that bullet, it needs to be cleaned prior to shooting other bullet types for best accuracy.
Like Fred said, the coating is pretty fragile. You'll definitely want to crimp in a separate step.
I didn't have good luck with them shooting out of a Glock - they leaded badly.
I've used their bullets with pretty good results. I prefer Bear Creek for moly coated bullets. I shoot them out of my G22 with good results. More smoke that FMJ but a lot less than lead.
You may want to Google search Bayou Bullets. Coated cast bullets, no smoke, no residue, great product.
I am currently using their 9mm 147 gr, they lead in the stock glock barrel but shoot great in my KKM barrels, no leading at all and good accuracy.
you can have FMJ bullets for the same price. www.precisiondelta.com
I stick with Precision Delta 124g FMJ's for my Glocks and Bear Creek 130g moly coated RN for my other 9mm guns..... I currently pay $70 per a K of the BC from my local dealer who is a member of our IDPA/USPSA club.
Powerbond are plated bullets.
Do you have a specific need for plated bullets?
For everyone's information, let's talk bullets and prices. Anyone with information on a good source should let the rest of us know.
In my experience, jacketed and cast/swaged bullets are the best. I have never gotten good accuracy from the thinly plated bullets from Rainier, Berry's, and X-treme.
I have gotten good accuracy from the very thick plated "bonded" bullets like Gold Dots. If the Powerbonds are that good, then they are very good.
Now, for 9mm/.38, I find that jacketed bullets from Montana Gold and Precision Delta make more sense to me. My first choice is always a JHP, followed by a lead SWC.
From MG, I can purchase 9mm 124gn JHP for $308/3750 bullets (eq. $82.13/1000). You can also get 9mm 124gn CMJ for $303/3750 (eq. $80.80/1000). If you are into heavy bullets for PF and minimal velocity/recoil, you can get 9mm 147gn CMJ for $313/3000 (eq. $104.33/1000).
Equivalent PowerBond bullet is the 9mm 124gn P-RN at $95/1000, more than the equivalent MG bullets.
If we go to the known thin-plating bullets from Berry's, I find the 9mm 124gn P-FP for $86.45/1000 and the 9mm 124gn P-HP for $87.67/1000.
I only shoot indoors and I have NOT noticed smoke from Precision Bullets "Black Bullet". They have always been very consistent, accurate, and reliable. However, they are getting too expensive for me in the larger calibers.
Precision Bullets has their 9mm 125gn L-CFP for $225/3500 (eq. $64.29/1000) and their 9mm 147gn L-CFP for $210/3000 (eq. $70/1000).
For the price difference, I am only shooting jacketed currently.
For inexpensive, but very high quality cast bullets, you can go to mastercastbullets.com. They sell their 9mm 125gn L-TC bullets for $48.21/1000 and their 9mm 147gn L-TCFP bullets for $56.70/1000.
Alternatively, Missouri Bullet Company sells excellent cast bullets at a good price. They sell their "9 cone" 125gn L-Conical bullets for $29.75/500 (est. $59.50/1000), a truly excellent "9mm SWC", a 125gn L-SWC, for $32/500 (est. $64/1000), "Small Ball" 125gn L-RN for $29.75/500 (est. $59.50/1000), and their "SubSonic" 147gn L-FP for $32/500 (est. $64/1000).
I looked at these and decided that, for me, it made sense to switch from cast lead to JHPs.
Although, as I said, if PowerBond is any where near as good as Gold Dots, they would be good bullets in any one's opinion, just not for me when I can get JHPs for the same or less.
I thought about them until I saw the price. You can get FMJ at a comparable rate... As much as I hate the mess, I still shot mostly lead due to cost.