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Birdshot OK for badguys?! What the heck?

Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by OctoberRust, Oct 2, 2012.

  1. weagle

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  2. pokersamurai

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    I understand completely, we are all entitled to our opinions and I respect your choice based on your experience and your HD application.

    I hope neither of us ever find ourselves in a situation where we have to use our shotguns for self defense, but if we do I hope our loads work. :supergrin:
     


  3. fredj338

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    To say choke means nothing @ 7yds tells me you either do not test your sg loads or have never used an open/riot choke, Yes it matters. A mod choke will reduce the spread to 2-3" @ 21ft, that is signifcant. Again, I wet pheasant @ approx 50ft w/ mod choke & #6 & had most pellets stop inside the bird & many right under the skin, not comforting for SD, but hey, your life.:dunno: My own test prove diff than complete obliteration of anything @ 21ft w/ an open/riot choke.
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    That was a #6 shot @ 21ft from a 870 riot bbl thru 2 layers of denim. Note none of the #6 went thru the ribs on the right. The left were smashed & broken using #4 buck. I know which would end the fight sooner than later. Yes choke matters at any distance but contact.
     
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2012
  4. Tiro Fijo

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    Birdshot in a pinch if nothing else is available, but #1 buck is the best of all.
     
  5. Warp

    Warp ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    #1 is indeed great.

    How mine patterns at 75 feet

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    21 feet (plus some 00 to the cranium)
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    Last edited: Oct 10, 2012
  6. SCmasterblaster

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    Nice pics! :cool:
     
  7. scccdoc

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    Here is a thread and a quote from earlier today...........



    Chris Costa on HD shotguns and handguns

    Also, it’s worth noting that during my courses or when I shoot in my DVDs, every time I shoot I’m firing law enforcement rounds of 1600 feet/second slugs, or 1500/second 00 buck. I’m not going out there running birdshot; you know if we went out there and ran birdshot #7 or #8 I could actually employ the gun much faster. My whole goal is to demonstrate and teach what’s very realistic.
     
  8. SCmasterblaster

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    Nice link! :cool:
     
  9. Providence

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    It was an interesting read. I'm curious about his instruction to center the gun on your chest as much as possible? I have the Magpul video, but I don't remember that... Must have not paid enough attention.

    He makes a good point about the pistol at night, clearing the house. I don't plan on any house clearing. We are going to retreat and defend from cover. DWHas the rifle and I have the SG. She is a deadly shot! So our philosophy is that out pistols are to get us to our long guns. I realize kids would complicate that, but ours are grown.


    Please vote! It's that important!
     
  10. Providence

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    sorry, I was referring to the Chris Costa interview.




    Please vote! It's that important!
     
  11. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster Millennium Member

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    For Romney!!!