Biden won the debate. If Ryan tells me about someone he met on the campaign trail one more time I will scream. Biden won because the VP on the ticket is meant to be the aggressive one while the Pres stays Presidential. Ryan didn't match Biden's ferocity but Biden came off as a dick. Will Biden's smug hurt more than help? He looked very condescending and filled Clint's "smile with a body behind it" line. Just the GTPI Paul weathervane's .02.