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Beretta 92 Vertec not cycling with 15+1

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by grandkodiak, May 15, 2012.

  1. grandkodiak

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    If I do a tactical reload with a fresh 15 mag with one in the chamber, it will fire, then fail to feed the next round, everytime.

    What should I be looking for? New spring, excessive wear, dirt, oil type change, magazine problem etc...
     
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  2. grandkodiak

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    I don't ecounter a problem with failing to feed with 14 round loaded magazine tactical reloads, so how would that help me solve the problem encountered with 15 round loaded magazine tactical reloads? Flamers, trolls, smart-asses unwelcome.
     
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  3. How is it jamming? Is it short-cycling, nose-diving the rounds, etc?
     
  4. Sheepdog Scout

    Sheepdog Scout Behind you!

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    Who knows?
    Does it do it with every magazine? IE, different ones?
     
  5. PlasticGuy

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    It would help if you describe the malfunction. What exactly is it doing? Also, does it do the same thing with every magazine and type of ammo you have?
     
  6. grandkodiak

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    3 different magazines, they all do it. Carry ammo Federal HP's and cheaper jacketed American Eagle both did it. I didn't get to really examin it during the drill, but it doesnt lock forward in battery... it looks/feels like it does while firing, but once you pull the trigger, nothing but a click. I didn't get to play around with it at the range do lack of time between phases. This is the first time we did a drill with fresh mags as backups, so for the 3+ years I've been using it its functioned fine without a single jam/missfire, but only ever fired from empty to fresh 15, or from partial to partial, never fresh 15 with 1 still in the pipe. Feedramp was clean at the time. Wish I could descripe it more, but thats all I have to go on for now, it'll be another 3 weeks or so before I'll have time to bring it to a private range to test it... for now I'm back to my faithfull glock... which now that I'm thinking, I've never tried it 15+1 either!
     
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  7. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Just my opinion, but I never load to +1
    Too damn much tension on the mag release, Beretta, Glock....any pistol.
     
  8. PlasticGuy

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    Mags feed slowest when fully loaded, and it may not have quite enough spring tension to get it fully into position with the 15th round in it. Even more likely, the recoil spring may not have enough power to strip that round out of the fully loaded mag, and still overcome the friction of feeding fully into the chamber. I would replace both the mag and recoil springs. Also, don't forget to scrub the chamber.
     
  9. collim1

    collim1 Shower Time!

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    Sorry, but I disagree. A combat handgun that is properly designed is intended to be loaded +1.

    To the OP, I have shot quite a bit of rounds out of the 92 models and none have ever had a problem with being loaded +1.

    There are three things you need to consider. Spring, lube, and ammo.

    It sounds like you need a new recoil spring. Its a cheap fix, usually around $7-10 bucks. I replace the recoil spring yearly in my guns that see the most range time.

    Take your pick: http://www.midwayusa.com/find?userSearchQuery=beretta+92+vertec+recoil+spring

    Might as well order a few, the S&H is gonna be the same whether you get 1 or 12.

    Lube. Lots of it. I prefer grease on alloy frame guns. Nothing fancy. Just good old automotive white lithium or Hoppes gun grease works well. The Berettas are notoriously under-lubed. In my experience they run better heavily lubed. I bet a quality grease lubricant would fix the problem without even replacing the spring, but go ahead and do it anyway. I keep a very light coat when carrying the gun, but slab on a good dab before hitting the range.

    Also keep in mind the Berettas are European. They like hot ammo. You wouldn't put 87 octane in your Ferarri so dont run 115g 9mm in your Vertec. The ones I have owned run best on 124-147g ammo. I would have random stovepipes with weak 115g ammo.

    The 92 Vertecs are a great gun I hope it get running again.
     
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  10. grandkodiak

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    I've been using CLP at the range as a quick clean, then tw25 from the syringe on my sig and glock, but not my carry yet. ill give that a whirl first before the spring, but the spring is atleast 3 years old then, guess its a good replacement time anyway especially for the money!
     
  11. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Ok,........so you disagree. :dunno:
     
  12. BuckyP

    BuckyP Lifetime Member

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    Make sure you also lube the locking block. Speaking of which, check the locking block for any signs of cracks. Strange problem, I have two Vertecs and they have been 100%. Hope you work this out.

    The 15 round Beretta magazine was designed (overkill perhaps) to not be overloaded. The indentations at the bottom are limiters, to limit the magazines capacity and keep from over compressing the spring. Later they learned with modern springs, they can be made to work reliably without limiters, maximizing their capacity.
     
  13. FLIPPER 348

    FLIPPER 348 Happy Member

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    Don't load to 15 and you won't have the problem.