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Benefits Of External Extractor?

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by The Expert, Nov 11, 2010.

  1. The Expert

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    Is there a benefit to an external extractor on a 1911? I saw this picture recently and wondered it the selling point was just that it was different and different=good in a crowded market.

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  2. nolt

    nolt DONT PANIC!

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    if you are Sig Sauer then its a great way to bastardize the 1911 into something that is "Unmistakeably Sig!!"
    (their words not mine.)
    im struggling with anything else to add.

    im not such a hater of EEs that i think youre going to hell for having one on a 1911 the way some people seem to be. but i dont own a 1911 that has one, and have no current plans for one.
    i refuse to discredit or demean the work of smiths like PL that do incredible work with them. they just arent for me.
     
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  3. Quack

    Quack Rent this space

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    Some work (sig, s&w, PL) and some don't (Kimber)
     
  4. cole

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    This. IMO, when it works, it can work better than the traditional internal setup and for a longer period of time. IMO, there is a reason the external extractor is used on most modern guns. However, a properly tuned extractor (ideally, it comes that way from the factory) in a well-cared for 1911 will run reliably. Traditionalist, me included, prefer internal on a 1911.
     
  5. bac1023

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    Well, for Paul Liebenberg, he personally told me that he gets the best performance from them. He's basically the father of the external extractor in a 1911. While I prefer the looks of an internal, the external doesn't bother me. Liebenberg builds some of the best pistols in the world.


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  6. bac1023

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    Unertl had it right too.

    What a shame they're no more. :crying:


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  7. CAcop

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    The benefit of an external extractor is that if it starts going south you can either replace the extractor or the spring without having to worry about tuning. Just an armorer's point of view.
     
  8. brisk21

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    Theyd probably be flourishing if there were more Bacs in the country!!!
     
  9. bac1023

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    LOL!

    Maybe so, but they were primarily a high end optics company. I'm honestly not sure what happened. :dunno:

    http://www.unertloptics.com/
     
  10. GVFlyer

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    I have 1911s with both internal extractors and external extractors - both function well.
     
  11. Johan Beer

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    The external extractor is proven to be more reliable. Almost all modern pistols have them.

    That being said, I'll take an internal on my 1911, thank you. Top tier 1911 companies know how to do it, and it looks much better.
     
  12. Jim Watson

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    Smith & Wesson will tell you that you are not smart enough or well equipped enough to change out their external extractor; it takes the right gauge and torsion bar to fit one up.
     
  13. Zombie Steve

    Zombie Steve Decap Pin Killa

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    No one will steal your 1911.
     
  14. bac1023

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    :rofl:
     
  15. JohnVal81

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    My Kimber has one and it works fine.
     
  16. 1006

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    I think the external ones have a wider operational envelope for lack of a better way to put it. EX: Almost every forty cal with an external extractor can be converted to 9mm with a simple barrel and mag change. And, they are easier to make and install for a new production line worker.
     
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  17. Tucson_1

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    I had a Kimber TLE II with an EE and it ran flawlessly. It seems to be hit or miss for Kimber though...

    Speaking of missing, I miss that TLE. Should have kept that one...
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  18. AA#5

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    I have a gun with an internal extractor design that's the closest to a 1911's design I've ever seen.

    It's an Uzi & so far I've fired 28,000 rounds through it without a malfunction or parts replacement - including the extractor. That's with 9mm and 45 acp.
     
  19. 1006

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    I am not sure the UZI is really a good comparison. I really don't know much about it. I think it fires with an open bolt; the extractor may be not much more than a guide for the exiting case.