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BB bird shot for home defense???

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by itstime, May 16, 2010.

  1. itstime

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    What is your opinion on BB size shot for home defense? Just asking cause I have some and loaded it up.

    Any pro/cons to it compared to OO buckshot? Thanks.
     
  2. F_G

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    Pro - Not as much mass, therefore not as much penetration

    Cons - Not as much mass, therefore not as much penetration

    http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1220524

    Anything smaller than 00 buck at approximately the same velocity will not have the ability to penetrate such things as clothing, drapes, bone, sinew, muscle and therefore will not reliably reach vital areas with enough energy to stop an aggressor's agressiveness.
     


  3. mixflip

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    At close range even BB shot is still very fatal. I still wouldnt consciously decide to use it for self defense though. As a last ditch option? Sure. Its better than using a knife or a baseball bat I guess?
     
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  4. Artiz

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    Remember that your average home invader isn't naked, he's wearing clothes, birdshot won't make much damage, just give him a very good reason to end your days in a hurry.
     
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  5. mixflip

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    I am not advocating using birdshot for home defense at all. But if SHTF and thats all you had for some strange reason??? Birdshot will do some severe damage to the head and neck region (at close range of course).

    Here is what birdshot does to 2 layers of drywall which is thicker than your average t-shirt. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQngI_r2hQc&playnext_from=TL&videos=GrHa4-q9wyc

    Again DO NOT USE BIRD SHOT for self defense! But also dont think just wearing clothing is gonna save your life if you are on the receiving end of birdshot "at close range".
     
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  6. mitchshrader

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    I just wonder if anyone has done any research personally, or just repeating hearsay.

    I'm bad about repeating hearsay, but I try to keep it on the topic of attractive women.

    Shotguns are even more dangerous, sometimes.

    http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=109958

    Scroll down about 4-5 examples and you'll be at 2 3/4" Remington lead BB shot..

    And under 10 yards, summer.. it ain't hardly birdshot at all, insofar as survivability is concerned. Borderline, yes.. but don't you WANT borderline compared to OOO ? Or isn't that the point?

    2 3/4" vs 3" matters. Muzzle velocity matters. Distance matters. Choke on the shotgun matters. Lead vs Steel BB's (vs HeviShot tungsten) matters.

    Granpa's 70 year old riot gun, cylinder bore, 2 3/4" standard velocity, 1 oz lead BB shot, is lethal @ 7 yards with a frontal torso (COM) direct hit, on an unarmored adult male.

    sez me. yer welcome to prove otherwise, I like learning new things.

    and fwiw I recommend #4 buckshot indoors & #1 Buckshot for general rural yard work, keep 1 oz slugs in mine and don't task it for HD. Vehicle penetration is what it's for, and the one chance in thousands I'd need it for that.

    But if you think a dose of BB's point blank isn't lethal in a 12 gauge, you're misled.
     
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  7. method

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    If all you have on hand is BB, it should work. I cannot understand why people always want to reinvent the wheel concerning shotgun ammo though, considering 00 buck is probably easier to find than the larger birdshot sizes.
     
  8. mixflip

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    Agreed, 00-buck and a pump shotgun are both available in every state and in probably every WalMart or hunting store? Its 50 year old technology that works. There really is no need to reinvent the wheel.

    As they say...learn to run what ya brung.
     
  9. Aceman

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    #4 to 00 buck. Preferably, 00. Low recoil or regular.

    That is the consensus - meaning most people will agree that it is effective. Not too much, not too little.

    You'll find some wing nut that will believe anything can work, or has one off the wall freak of nature example where something odd did work. No birdshot first shot, 3" slugs, alternating rounds, ball plus buck, Rhodesian, flechette, or any of that crap.

    For HD - play the odds. Go with what works. Without question.

    #4 to 00 buck. Preferably, 00. Low recoil or regular.
     
  10. cj5mrt

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    "I just wonder if anyone has done any research personally, or just repeating hearsay."

    Go to theboxotruth.com

    LOTS of info there.

    Mike
     
  11. F_G

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    There is a lot of empirical data on shootings involving 00 and slug as this is what the majority of law enforcement agencies use. Kind of difficult for me to perfrom my own research as I have a hard time finding people allowing me to shoot them.

    Most of my conclusions are derived from this data and the application of simple physics. It's cool to watch some guy shoot through drywall and see how far it goes, but I fail to see how that equates to the ability of the round to stop an aggressor. Might however help you decide what to deploy if penetrating or not penetrating through walls is your objective.

    To the OP, if BB is all you have it is far better than nothing, but if I am standing at the ammo counter trying to decide what to buy, it would not be my first choice, or second, or third................
     
  12. MTPD

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    I'm living part of the year in an RV park and wanted to switch to birdshot so as not to penetrate any other RV's if the BG's show up. But.........I couldn't find any BB shot shells on the shelves, which is what I wanted. #4 lead was the biggest in lead, and #3 in steel. I consider both to be too ineffective on BG's, so got a box of 4 Buck as a compromise.

    However, I'd think lead BB's would do fine on BG's out to 10 yards or so (i.e., inside of your home). But I'd only use them if there was a concern about over-penetration.

    At my country home, where there aren't any close neighbors, I use OO & OOO Buck.

    I've actually tested a goodly number of buckshot shells, different brands, different sizes, etc. The results, for best penetration and tightest paterns they rank as follows: 000, 00, 0, 4. I assume birdshot will do the same = biggest lead shot with give best penetration and tightest paterns. Steel shot will penetrate less than the same size lead.
     
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  13. dc2integra

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    birdshot is a no no if someones invades your home your better off using buck slug buck slug etc u dont want someone sueing u for u hurting them when they invade your home
     
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  15. Aceman

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    As with all ammo - anything with any kind of effective BG stopping power, will over penetrate. You have to make your choice: definite stopping and possible over penetration, or possible stopping and unlikely overpenetration.

    Not that last example - you can still over penterate AND not stop the BG!
     
  16. Z71bill

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    0 buck or 000 buck is better than 00 buck:upeyes:

    00 buck just has better marketing - don't believe the hype - get 0 or 000 buck -

    :tongueout:

    All joking aside - this is real

    You want 12 .32 diameter lead balls - 0 buck

    or 9 .33 diameter lead balls 00 buck

    or 8 .36 diameter lead balls

    I use 0 buck
     
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  17. Yes, what he said. Go with what works most of the time in most of the situations instead of what works every now and then in some of the situations.
     
  18. GAFinch

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    At Academy Sports, Remington has a Home Defense display set up with BB shot on the shotgun side.
     
  19. method

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    Great, at what, $25 per 10 rd box? S&B 00 can be had for a quarter of that.

    Great marketing ploy though.