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Barrel Twist and ammo selection

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by arushus, Oct 25, 2012.

  1. arushus

    arushus Biggest Member

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    So I got rid of my 1-9 twist barrel and am installing an upper with a 1-7 twist barrel. Thing is, I have a bunch of m193 and other 55gr ammo saved up that Im worried wont shoot well out of my new barrel. Are my worries unfounded? Or should I be getting rid of my 55gr ammo and buying heavier stuff. Obviously from now on Ill be buying 62gr and heavier ammo, unless there arent any issues with shooting 55gr ammo in a 1-7 twist barrel...

    Any help would be most appreciated! Thanks!
     
  2. arushus

    arushus Biggest Member

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    Nevermind, found my answer over on m4carbine.net. Apparently a 1-7 twist is fine for bullets as light as 40gr (it is a bullet's length that matters, not necessarily weight), and a bullet being "overstabilized" is a myth for all intents and purposes.
     

  3. Gunnut 45/454

    Gunnut 45/454

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    Yep- though I've found my 1:7's don't care much for bullets below 50 grs. When I load them slow they work pretty good -max charge not so much.:upeyes:
     
  4. SCSU74

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    Depends on the gun and on the distance. My 6920 hates 55g past 50 yds. It shoots low right, when I switch to our duty round (62g) they are dead on


    Sent from my iPhone... which probably auto-corrected something wrong
     
  5. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    A 1:7 will group OK with 55-gr M193. Might not give it a benchrest group, but for practical purposes, it'd be fine. Though I've seen some sweet handload Nosler Ballistic Tip loads that went through a lot of different rifles with all sorts of rifling twists just fine too.

    Shoot the gun and ammo first to see if there's even a problem.
     
  6. K. Foster

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    You won’t get your best accuracy with 55g but it’ll be fine for plinking or training.
     
  7. oldman11

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    Why go from a 1-9 to a 1-7 twist to begin with?
     
  8. I've been shooting 1:7 twist Colts since the mid 80s with both 55grn and 62grn bullets.
    I have seen no appriciable difference in accuracy. What does effect the bullet is distance, wind and barrel lenght.
     
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  9. smokin762

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    Did you try heavier bullets in your 1/9 barrel before you changed it for a 1/7 barrel? :dunno:

    I shoot Hornady Superformance 75 grain ammunition in my 1/9 barrel without any problems. With a scope, they are tight groups. With Iron Sights, not as much as I want. But that is on me, not the rifle twist.
     
  10. Big Bird

    Big Bird NRA Life Member

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    I can keep M193 ammo to 3/4-1" groups with BUIS at 50 yards in my 1-7 twist PSA barrels.
     
  11. K. Foster

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    Have you shot any groups with heavier bullets. How do they compare?
     
  12. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    At 50 yards, I doubt it'll make a difference. I've shot 1" groups at 50 with my Aimpoint, using XM193, XM855 and 5.56 TAP 75grn back to back, with relatively minimal shift in POI.
     
  13. cowboy1964

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    55gr ain't great for long-range work anyway. 1:7 for me from now on because I want to be able to use the 77gr OTM suckers.
     
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  14. arushus

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    I didnt change barrels just to go from 1-9 twist to 1-7, It just happened that my old cheap upper wqs 1-9, and the new Spikes Tactical CHF upper Im getting is 1-7...
     
  15. K. Foster

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    Yeah, I didn’t word my post correctly.:embarassed: What I meant to ask BB is if he has shot that gun with heavier bullets at longer distances and what groups he got then.
    As a comparison to the xm193.
     
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  16. Matthew Courtney

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    Bullet overstabilization is not a myth. It is a very real occurance with lighter, shorter bullets at high velocities from fast twist barrels. It simply is not a factor with 5.56 projectiles from a 1/7 twist barrels inside of 300 yards. Stretch those 40 gr bullets out to 500 yards and the bullet will no longer be pointing in the direction of travel. It will be pointing in the direction of departure because, being overstabilized it cannot turn downward, or they will turn downward at varying points in the flight path causing more vertical dispersion than heavier bullets.
     
  17. Gunnut 45/454

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    I guess it really depends on what your uses are. If your just plinking /trianing to shoot at short ranges 0-100 yards then you'll not see the difference of using light bullets. I don't only use my AR's for HD/SD they hunt as well so I need accuracy out to 400 yards. My 1:7' twist give me minute of man accuracy out 300 yards with 55gr FMJ probably further but my eyes are not twenty anymore. So that's my personnal limit especially with irons. Scoped I can still get out there. But normally when I know longer then 200 yards shots will be the norm I go up in bullet wt 69gr or more.:supergrin:
     
  18. TangoFoxtrot

    TangoFoxtrot OIF 04-05

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    I have a 1:8 on my S&W and shoot 55 gr with great accuracy.
     
  19. cowboy1964

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    I disagree with that chart. I don't think a 1:9 twist can shoot a 62gr bullet any more accurately than a 1:7 twist. Besides, it's not the weight, it's the bullet length. Hornady's 75gr bullets supposedly shoot just fine in 1:9 twists. That's the claim anyway. I realize we have to generalize to weight but that chart is overly restrictive, IMO.
     
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