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Barack Obama Supporters.

Discussion in 'GT Voting Booth' started by ChrisVV, Nov 5, 2008.

  1. purpledragonlily

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    52% of the people voted for Obama- 48% DID NOT, that is not overwhelming, that is just enough. The Dem congress has been in control for 2 years with the worst approval rating in history- way lower than Bush. So no, voting Dem is no "change", as Obama has only been in the Senate for a short time, so has been with the Dems while they have been the majority. Is your intellectual level able to follow that? Doubt it since you voted for him. :faint:
     
  2. bennwj

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    I think it was funny in 200 and 2004 when President Bush won both of those elections with 51% of the vote the media said the country was "divided". Obama wins with 52% this year and the country is "united".

    Although congress had a horrible approval rating, ask the average Joe what he thought about his Senator or representative. His reply would likely be, "My guy is great...the other 534 are screwed up" :rofl:
     


  3. meshmdz

    meshmdz OBAMA 2012

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    Look at the number of people who turned out to vote. Far more voted for Obama than did bush or kerry.

    The Dems cant get **** done because Bush and his administration hasnt worked with them, by blocking legislation they have put up.
     
  4. bennwj

    bennwj CSM Silver Member

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    Let me give you a perfect example of how the welfare system is broken and in need of overhaul.

    My niece has made every bad decision in life that is possible. Dropped out of school, drugs, sex ...you name it.

    She had her first child (no father's name on the birth certificate) about two years ago. She had no job, no means of support other than her mom and was on every welfare program New York state and the federal government had.

    When I saw her the baby was about 9 months old. She made the retarded statement that she, "wanted another one'. I told her that before she made taxpayers pay for another one, she might want to get a job and get her life in order. She said it was her "right" to have as many as she wanted.

    Shortly after that we found out that she was pregnant again. No father on the birth certificate again.

    Taxpayers are paying her to have babies. That is wrong. All payments to her should be cut off NOW.

    Now, somebody who has worked and is disabled is a different story. If they have no way to provide for themselves then we must, as a people help out.

    The system that we currently have traps people in the system.

    My niece gets Section 8 housing and only has to pay $50 per month towards her utilities. Food stamps and a welfare check. She is 19 years old and more than capable of working.

    Unfortunately she is not the exception. She is the rule when it comes to current welfare recipients.
     
  5. bennwj

    bennwj CSM Silver Member

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    But what little legislation they "put up" (proposed is the word you were looking for), has been of the liberal variety and as the President he has not only a right, but a responsibility to support his convictions.

    Would you rather have him sign a bill into law against his convictions? It's called character.
     
  6. meshmdz

    meshmdz OBAMA 2012

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    I agree SGM. People like that are mooching off the system. However, I dont think you can say that because certain people do this that you can throw away the entire system.
     
  7. spdski

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    Just to set the record straight. In 2000, Bush got about 49% of the popular vote. In 2004, he got about 51%. This year Obama got 53.25%

    None of these show a united country.

    Then again, when Reagan won his first term he only got about 51%...
     
  8. meshmdz

    meshmdz OBAMA 2012

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    I am glad you mentioned this.. I was about to post this about Reagan's win actually.
     
  9. bennwj

    bennwj CSM Silver Member

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    Let me get this straight. McCain lost because he had a "Liar like Joe the plumber".

    So, did Obama win because he had a "Terrorist like Bill Ayers"?

    I would actually say that the people who voted for Obama are the narrow minded ones. All we heard over and over was "change". No real mention of change except to tax the **** out of people who actually work for a living. This who work for a living mistakenly believed that they would not get the tax increase ........ "they" were going to get a tax break.

    What else did Barry say? Oh yes. We are going to end the war in Iraq. That is typical liberal bull****. Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Unfortunately Obama is our President. I wish him well, because his policies that he implements into law with an extremely liberal congress could cause real harm to our nation.
     
  10. Colorado4Wheel

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    Did Ayers campaign for Obama? Get real. McCain sold his soul to the Republican right and then tried to make it work with tactics like "Joe the Plumber" who actually campaigned for him. McCain f-d up. Simple as that. He was not the same McCain as we had a year ago. It was a uphill battle with the War and Bush being so unpopular but if you look at the campaigns from a little distance McCain had more mistakes then Obama. I know thats hard to hear but from the people who actually make up the deciding votes its true (assuming the base is going to vote as the base ussually votes) McCain was afraid to stray to far from the "right" for fear of loosing the "base". Obama was able to grab more of the middle ground with out loosing his base.
     
  11. bennwj

    bennwj CSM Silver Member

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    Dude. Put the kool-aid down and throw the Democrat talking points away. McCain is not a conservative (i.e. on the "Right"). He campaigned as a "maverick" and kept saying how he fought the Republican party during his entire career in the Senate. Conservatives have called him a R.I.N.O. (Republican In Name Only) for years.

    He lost because he FAILED to run as a conservative. That was one of McCain's mistakes. He never had the base to begin with so he didn't lose it....he had to try to win it.

    Obama did a good job of playing class warfare and making people think that he (and bigger government) is the answer. Government is not the solution to the problem, it IS the problem.

    If Barry Obama does the things he said he was going to do on the campaign trail, you will see a conservative in the white house in 4 years.
     
  12. Colorado4Wheel

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    Cough, cough,b.s., cough.

    Very few undecided saw him as you describe. Sure the "right" does but thats not who he lost his votes too. Sure a lot of the base did not like him but I promise you they still voted for him. What else is they going to do vote for Obama in protest. The biggest problem was not loosing those votes. It was they did not come out and work for him. He had a poor support system as a result.

    Edit: As far as Obama and what he did to win, I won't argue. McCain did much the same thing, he just looked far more ackward doing it. Kinda my point. McCain floundered while (for the most part) Obama looked poised. 3 years from now you will be hearing all the Republican pundants saying basically what I am saying now. The party is floundering as far as a clear message. When/if Obama fails then that will give the Republicans something to run on. Just like Bush and his unpopularity gave Obama what he needed to get votes.
     
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  13. bennwj

    bennwj CSM Silver Member

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    Two things:

    1. I agree with you about the republican base not getting behind McCain. You are wrong about Republicans staying home however. It did happen. I know a few people who were so disgusted with McCains lack of conservatism, they thought that four years of a uber-liberal would do the Conservative movement some good. How many stayed home is up to guesswork, but many did.

    2. I again agree that the Republican party is searching for a message. All you heard on the news was President Bush's poor approval ratings. You heard little or nothing about congressional approval ratings that were TWICE as low as the Presidents. If Republicans turn back to a conservative message/platform they will win and win big. It works every time it is tried. In this election cycle it seemed that every republican running from office was running away from President Bush's policies. Never mind that the CONGRESS has the power to approve a budget. Never mind that they were in power in the Congress for the last 4 years. The Media and the Democrat party were extremely effective in insulating the public from understanding how money is allocated and spent by the government.

    I have a good friend who is liberal. He voted for Obama because he believes in all his socialist crap. I do not have a problem with that. I have a problem with the uneducated voter who makes a decision on emotion and sound bites.

    Obama was a far better speaker than McCain. Does that make him right? Do his associations with domestic terrorists NOT matter? Bill Ayers wrote a forward in a book that praised Bobby Kennedy's assassin. Bill Ayers went from being a "guy in the neighborhood" to "a close friend". That doesn't matter?

    "Growing the economy from the bottom up" makes sense? How many people on "the bottom" have the ability to create jobs and invest in the economy? How are they going to create wealth? Spending the welfare the government is going to give them (disguised as tax rebates) is NOT going to stimulate the economy.

    You and I have argued his tax plan and I refuse to beat that dead horse, but any tax increases on business WILL be passed on to the consumer.

    What about direct (without preconditions) negotiations with North Korea, Iran and others? Why give them legitimacy?

    His policies are crap and I hope he does not implement them. We will be screwed.
     
  14. Colorado4Wheel

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    Wow, we agree.

    I did not meet a single person who did not vote because of McCain. I found people driven to the polls because of how much they disliked Obama. Not saying what you said didn't happen. I am sure it did. But it worked both ways. It's going to be interesting. I hope it doesn't suck. I am trying to remain upbeat but it's hard.
     
  15. Lady Glock

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    Yeah, he sure could read that teleprompter! :rofl:

    But when he had to speak off the cuff, he couldn't form a coherent thought without uh, ah, um, I think, um, um, uh!
     
  16. Colorado4Wheel

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    To be fair the "town hall format" did not favor either canidate. McCain thought he would make Obama look bad in that format and it was just not the case.
     
  17. bennwj

    bennwj CSM Silver Member

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    Actually McCain did extremely well in the town hall format. He is not a teleprompter kind of guy. He does pretty well speaking off the cuff. I don't think that Obama ever looked bad, but he did not look as polished when the audience was asking the questions.

    Obama NEVER went of his socialist message. If you think about it he had McCain on defense from day one and was able to get his message across better.
     
  18. bennwj

    bennwj CSM Silver Member

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    You got that right.
     
  19. Colorado4Wheel

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    McCain did OK. I think style wise it was a draw most the time. McCain had a habit of looking mad and like he was pacing out of frurstration. Obama tended to look detached and not very animated.
     
  20. meshmdz

    meshmdz OBAMA 2012

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    the SGM is correct here on a few points. McCain is NOT a conservative. Never has been. This is why many Republicans were hesitant to support him as they would have had Huck got the nod. I respect him but he was a lameduck nomination in a race that no Republican could have won IMO. Obama won because he ran the perfect campaign. Where did he mess up? You cant name a single instance. Because he didnt. He ran the best campaign in history, in many ways. Given, he had a pretty good shot from the get-go because so many people are sick and tired of a ****ty economy and the way the Republicans allowed this nation to go down the drain. The Democratic Congress has failed the American people in many ways as well , but many reasons they have failed is because they have failed to get initiatives across the isle because the White House has been repeatedly hesitant to work with anything DEMOCRATIC. If Obama can get things going in the right direction, he will win re-election easily I am betting. Anyone who thinks that he can fix this mess overnight or in 4 years is a total moron.