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Auto or Pump? Mossy or Remington?

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by SGT45, Apr 13, 2012.


  1. SGT45

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    Hi Gang. You have probably been asked this before, and yes, I tried the search function-found little info. specific to my questions-so don't flame me. I Need some of your opinions and expert help. I could tell you a lot about Glocks etc., But with shotguns I have been out of the loop for a while. I want to get a shotgun for SD, but may want some versatility for other types of shooting. I was trained with Remington 870's for years. I handled a few Mossbergs, Benellis etc. over the past 15 years. From memory- Remington was heavy, Mossberg was light, but shot well with the Ghost ring sights. Benelli was OK, but didn't absorb recoil like I thought it would. I like the semi autos but wonder if they are as reliable and durable compared to a pump. I am really interested in the Knoxx stock some of you have mentioned. I think I remember really liking the Ghost ring sights. Soooooooooooooooooooo
    -Pump or Auto?
    -Narrowed down to Mossberg or Remington- only because of price and familiarity
    - Mossberg 935 SPX variant or 590 variants vs. Remington 11-87P or 870P ( that Model 870 Modular Combat System (MCS) is bad *****!!!).

    Help me decide!!! Are there more accessories for either one? Track record? Thanks for any and all input!!!
     

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  2. mingaa

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    Auto. I spend too much time watching the gun with pump.
     

  3. BEER

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    bad example

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    this is all just my own personal opinion and experience.....

    autos are too finicky. some don't like certain loads, some have touchy gas sytems, and some need to be tweaked all the way around.

    the only problem i've ever had with pumps was a winchester 1300 that somehow wound up with a bent action bar, but that was a beater truck gun back when i was still too young and dumb to understand concepts like scabbards and such so that was more my fault than the gun's.

    as far as accessories go the pumps win hands down with no contest. this is also where the 870 rules the roost. over the past couple of years the mossbergs have gained quite a following in the aftermarket but not quite like the 870.

    now here's where you have to ask yourself a simple question. are you going to keep a normal straight stock on your chosen gun or are you going for some sort of pistol grip setup? if you're sticking with a straight stock then the mossberg would be my choice for the tang mounted safety. that'll be a moot point with a pistol grip setup in which case the remington safety placement would be easier to use.
     
  4. SGT45

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    Thanks guys! Good points on both. Still weighing out the "Auto" vs. "Pump" issue.
     
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    BEER, which I just had a few Beers, No- on pistol grip. Straight stock, poss. Knoxx. I have to check and see if the Knoxx or Magpul stocks are available on Semi-auto Shotguns. Thanks for ur input!
     
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    i believe the stock end of the recievers are the same on the remington 870 and 1100 series of guns, but i have no clue on the mossbergs. the 870 knoxx should work for the 1100 also.

    if you're not aware there have been a lot of people complaining about the knoxx and it's infamous "cheek slap" issue. there are a couple of really simple fixes for it from what i understand but i just wanted to make sure you're aware of it so it dosen't surprise you. look up some youtube videos and forum posts about it.
     
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    Stick with what you have trained and are familiar with. 870's work bottom line. Yes both auto's and pump's have advantages and disadvantages when compared to each other. The decision is ultimately yours, for what it's worth get an 870 and shoot and train with it.
     
  8. auto-5

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    just my 2 cents...there was a drug bust at a "compound" back in the early 80's. The police knew it was guarded by doberman pinchers , and as expected the dogs ran out to protect the house. One pump of a shotgun and they went back into the house. My point EVEN the dogs knew the sound of a shotgun being loaded. lol. Every perp knows it also.
     
  10. SGT45

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    Thanks guys!!! Beer- I was not familiar with the Knoxx "Cheek Slap". Thanks for the heads up!!!!!
     
  11. RetailNinjitsu

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    I have a fair amount of experience with the 590 and the 870. Of the two, the 590 is my favorite because the feed ramp stays out of the way while loading...and the safety location is perfect. The 870 was our issued long-arm prior to ditching them for M4s.

    Although they are both great guns, I now MUCH prefer my FN SLP 18". I can't short-stroke it, the recoil is the lightest I have ever experienced in 12ga it can be operated one handed, and it has never had any FTF,FTE issues in well over 1000 rounds. The only downside for me is the ghost rings. I am faster with a bead.

    I vote auto.
     
  12. mixflip

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    I owned both Remington & Mossberg. I have trained on the Mossberg with the Marines and Remington as an LEO. So I know where you are coming from.

    I just re-qualed on our Remington Police Magnums yesterday as a matter of fact and I was reminded why I like my Mossberg better for me personally. The slide release button and non-spring loaded shell elevator is just better for me on my Mossberg.

    Here is the reason I like my Mossberg. I made a video so I dont have to type so much.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtJ_VUMPprI"]Mossberg 500 review - my current home defense or SHTF shotgun - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    I'm hooked on a 24" Mossberg 930. It works for me in a number of areas and fits me like a glove. Dependable as the day is long. My two bits!
     
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    Wether ir be Mossberg, Remington or Browning,......I prefer a pump. Works EVERY time!
     
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    I don’t think you could go wrong with either a Remington or a Mossberg. I have owned both. After deciding which model has the controls that you prefer, it would just be a personal preference.

    I only buy Pump Action Shotguns. They seem to be less finicky with ammunition.

    I myself like the Mossberg better. I like the safety being ambidextrous and I think it is more forgiving with the action. I think the Remington 870 has a longer stroke than the Mossberg does.

    I own a 500A. I bought it new back in the early 1990’s. If I was going to get a new Shotgun today. I would go with the 590 SP with the Ghost Ring Sights.



    Just for your info, the stock on the 590 is longer than the 500. I replaced my stock with a 590 stock so it would give me a longer length of pull.

    18 clicks to the right on the link.

    http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=5&section=products
     
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  17. VinnieD

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    Pump. Don't trust your life to something that's picky about ammo.
     
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    For SD/HD, I have to go pump. 500/870 doesn't matter. I just trust the reliability, which is my #1 issue.

    However - if i had the money to go top of the line, and the $/time to REALLY test ammo, I could go with a semi.

    Honestly, semi's are not as "finicky" as they used to be, and if you don't use bizarre ammo, you should be fine. An 11-87 with a smoothbore barrel swapped on would be just perfect IMO.

    That said, I'm sticking with my 500.
     
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    Not true. The Saiga has more accessories.:tongueout:

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    My Remington auto has never failed. My dad bought it in the 70s and its still going strong.

    Most pistols wont eat all ammo you feed them. Most people wont stick with a revolver because of that fact.

    If you get an auto...you just have to ask on here which shells are best for the gun you chose....then fire it a bit to make sure. No big deal.

    I like the autos best. I know someone will argue with me...but you can generally shoot an auto much faster than a pump. That sells it for me.

    If I where going to buy another, Id get a Saiga.

    You could have the best of both worlds and track down a Spas-12. Its a pump and an auto at the same time.
     
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