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ATK secures contract with DHS for 450 million rounds of .40-cal

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by racer88, Mar 19, 2012.

  1. racer88

    racer88 NRA & SAF mbr

    Oct 14, 2009

    ATK Wins Five-Year, Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity Contract for .40 Caliber Ammunition from DHS, ICE --Additional .40 Caliber Ammunition Contract with 450 Million Round Potential Demonstrates ATK's Leadership in Ammunition Manufacturing

    OK... discuss! (I guess we can count on not seeing any HST ammo anywhere for.... forever. Glad I stocked up!)

    Another thing that makes you go, "hmmmmm".... Why does DHS need 450 million rounds of ammo??
  2. joecoastie


    Feb 4, 2009
    Uhhh, maybe so we can go to the range and train and maintain qualifications. Honestly we need all the ammo they can afford to give us.
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2012

  3. So much for hoping we go to the .357sig round:crying:
  4. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

    May 15, 2010
    NW Florida
    I'd bet it's going to be Gold Dot, not HST, personally. ATK owns both Federal and Speer.
  5. HKLovingIT

    HKLovingIT Resident Evil

    Aug 20, 2010
    Out On The Tiles
    It says in the details it is a base 12 month contract with 4 option years. Indefinite delivery date, indefinite amount but not to exceed 450 million rounds. They may buy 10 rounds or up to 450 million.

    Sounds more like an open order contract to buy as much as they want during the time of the contract, but not to exceed 450 million rounds at the agreed price. ATK was already the supplier on the previous contract so it's kind of like a renewal.

    It also says in the article that it is for HST.

    "This contract features a base of 12 months, includes four option years, and will have a maximum volume of 450 million rounds. ATK was the incumbent and won the contract with its HST bullet, which has proven itself in the field. "

    So let's do some math:

    450 million / 5 years = 90 million rounds per year

    DHS is about 200,000 people. ICE has about 20,000

    Let's pick a number out of the air and say that there are 10,000 that carry weapons.

    90 million (per year) / 10,000 agents = 9000 rounds per agent, per year for qualification, training, field use and accounting for bad lots of ammo, loss, theft, fire, etc. According to the ever accruate Wikipedia they are switching to the HK UMP in .40 so I'm sure that will burn up a lot of ammo.

    Anyway, that's 9000 rounds per agent a year, assuming they choose to purchase the maximum amount allowed in the contract.

    Hell I go shooting more than that each year. :dunno:

    If you want to pick a big number and say that out of the 200,000 that work in DHS, 50,000 people qualify, train and shoot that works out to 1800 rounds per agent each year.

    Either way it doesn't seem like all that much considering how fast you can go through a couple hundred rounds at the range. I rather the .gov spent my tax contributions on this as opposed to EBT cards.

    Now ATK may make too much one year based on what they bought the prior year or some slightly off spec that gets rejected. So there you go, surplus HST in plain white box shows up at Cabelas.
    Last edited: Mar 19, 2012
  6. fastbolt


    Jun 9, 2002
    CA Central Coast
    Also, when you consider training outside of in-service qual venues (academy type, joint training, firearms instructor training/updates, etc), as well as repair/function testing ammunition requirements, what ordinarily might sound like an excessive number of purchased/inventoried rounds can become drained faster than you might expect. ;)
  7. 450 million. Looks like they are ready for the Zombies. That is enough ammo to take care of every zombie in America.........hahahah
  8. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

    May 15, 2010
    NW Florida
    Have you seen the way (most) cops shoot? They'd need to increase that by a factor of 10-20 for a zombie apocalypse. :rofl:
  9. cowboy1964


    Sep 4, 2009
    All the stories have already made the point that it's the HST bullet.
  10. Dhs includes customs, border patrol, usss, tsa, fps, and coast guard.

    They have more armed agents then doj.

    450 million rounds over 5 years is probably 1,000 rounds per armed agent.

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  11. TN.Frank

    TN.Frank Glock4Life

    Oct 11, 2004
    Avondale, AZ.
    What, they couldn't go to WalMart like the rest of us do?:rofl:
  12. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

    May 15, 2010
    NW Florida
    Yeah, it's my fault for not reading the actual article, and jumping ton conclusions. Oh well... :whistling:
  13. brisk21


    May 13, 2008
    Wow. I work in Corrections and we get about 17 rounds every year to "re-qualify". What an f-n joke.
  14. Ding ding ding we have a winner!
  15. jp3975


    Nov 13, 2008
    Texarkana, Tx
    Most will probably go to the drug cartels.
  16. joecoastie


    Feb 4, 2009
    No that makes too much sense, its got to be part of a conspiracy. :supergrin:
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2012
  17. joecoastie


    Feb 4, 2009
    We leave that kind of thing to the BATFE.
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2012
  18. It's also an IDIQ contract so they don't have to buy all 450 million rounds.

    ATK just has to be prepared to supply that much ammo.

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