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Atheists/Agnostics: Why?

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by arkdweller22, Oct 28, 2013.

  1. arkdweller22

    arkdweller22 Cuhootnified

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    What is the purpose of the universe? Why is it here, along with us?

    We "gnostic theists" generally feel that our theism explains the raison d'etre of the universe, life, humankind, etc. We may disagree on most everything else, but that's a pretty easy one to agree upon.

    However, there are obviously agnostic atheists and agnostic theists here that are rational, intelligent thinkers. I'm curious as to whether or not you have a philosophy on that.
    To be clear, I understand that neither atheists nor agnostics are a monolithic block so I'm not necessarily expecting some overarching response.

    I am genuinely curious, there is no hidden agenda or "gotchas" here. I truly want to hear the different philosophies and ideas.
    I would like this to be a civil discussion as well. To avoid minutia with words and their definitions I'd like to define certain terms for the purposes of this thread:

    1. Gnostic Theist: You believe that there is a God and feel that the evidence points overwhelmingly to this conclusion.
    2. Agnostic Theist: You would like to believe that there is a God but do not feel that the evidence is convincing either way.
    3. Gnostic Atheist: You believe that there is no god and feel that the evidence points overwhelmingly to this conclusion.
    4. Agnostic Atheist: You don't believe there is a god but don't feel the evidence is convincing either way.

    If you don't agree with the definitions above, that's ok; humor me :embarassed:
     
  2. DonCT

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    The universe simply is. It is not good or bad. There is no "why."

    Our lives can have purpose, the universe has none.
     

  3. JBnTX

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    I'm NOT an atheist, if anyone had any doubts.
    But I'd like to answer the question.

    The universe, mankind and all of creation was put here for God's purpose and only he knows what that is.

    ..
     
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  4. Geko45

    Geko45 Smartass Pilot CLM

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    I'm probably one of the more gnostic atheists here, I don't claim certainty, but I treat the possibility as no more likely than Santa Claus or an honest politician.

    There is no objective answer to your question from my (our?) worldview, so I expect you will get a variety of answers. Subjectively, my answer is to live free, be happy and help the ones I love do the same. I extrapolate that concept such that I extend the same courtesy to others that I would want them to extend to me. I know I don't want anyone dictating to me how to live my life so I won't dictate to others (and I mean by force, not by persuasion as I do here). That is essentially the only valid "social contract" from a moral and ethical perspective that can exist. We form governments to provide the freest environment possible. Any other use for government (e.g. socialism, communism, fascism, theocracy, monarchy, oligarchy, etc.) is essentially immoral and unethical.
     
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  5. NMG26

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    For us to enjoy. For life to live. It is all here for me............you.......us.

    Who can fathom it? Only humanity. We are the rhyme and reason.

    Live it up while you can.

    Every good thing is for us to enjoy.

    Every mountain is to be climbed. Every challenge is to be met.

    Got to love it, or you will be hating it.

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  6. One purpose of the universe is to enable us to have lives.

    :okie:
     
  7. Geko45

    Geko45 Smartass Pilot CLM

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    Wait, I'd like to change my answer please, "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."

    :supergrin:
     
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  8. arkdweller22

    arkdweller22 Cuhootnified

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    No! Too late. Your first one was better anyway. :wavey:
     
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  9. arkdweller22

    arkdweller22 Cuhootnified

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    Anti-climactic but valid...
     
  10. arkdweller22

    arkdweller22 Cuhootnified

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    Thanks for clearing that up. :wavey:
     
  11. Geko45

    Geko45 Smartass Pilot CLM

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    I was about to say, I've never seen you at any of the atheist parties.
     
  12. arkdweller22

    arkdweller22 Cuhootnified

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    So in essence: "in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, <sup id="cite_ref-1" class="reference"></sup>promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity."

    I like it...
     
  13. arkdweller22

    arkdweller22 Cuhootnified

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    So kinda like a modern epicurean?
    I can see the attraction.
     
  14. arkdweller22

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    So you see the "good" in the universe. Do you see the "bad" at all?
     
  15. Geko45

    Geko45 Smartass Pilot CLM

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    Exactly, I hope some of the theists here read this and realize that the only logical political system that follows from atheism is libertarianism. Communists/socialists only adopt it out of a desire to strip everyone of their identity in a futile attempt to create a facade of equality. They embrace the guise of atheism to further their political ideology, but one can not derive the communist doctrine from atheism (and maintain intellectual honesty).
     
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  16. NMG26

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    Had to look it up.
    wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicureanism

    I'd say, yes, damn close.

    .
     
  17. NMG26

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    I likes it too.

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  18. nmk

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    I disagree with the premise that there is a "purpose".
     
  19. arkdweller22

    arkdweller22 Cuhootnified

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    So you agree with DonCT's post.
    Like I said; anti-climactic but valid.

    I'd like to think that such a complex, well built structure like the universe has purpose. But I also understand that some disagree. That's cool...
     
  20. Guss

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    Indeed. Merely asking the question of purpose is jumping to the questionable assumption that there is an answer.