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'At Will' employment, what are your thoughts?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Slug71, Nov 8, 2012.

  1. Slug71

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    In America.
     
  2. Cali-Glock

    Cali-Glock Mountain Man

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    If not at will the what? Some socialist utopia where my boss keeps paying me when I no longer serve a viable positive purpose for the organization?

    No thanks.
     

  3. Cali-Glock

    Cali-Glock Mountain Man

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    This!!

    The problem is not firing good people, but rather the problem is keeping bad employees because you can't afford to fire anyone and despite this economy you can't find good employees.
     
  4. 427

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    My last employer was "right-sizing". I got laid off without the same notice month's notice that another employee received. I wasn't part of the click. I'm in an at will state.
     
  5. Ruggles

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    Fired or laid off?

    No offense but why would they fire you for no reason? What did they gain?
     
  6. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    If employers can't fire employees at will, should employees be compelled to work or pay a fine when they want to quit and leave an employer in a bind?
     
  7. No doubt you got shafted, and i am sorry to hear that happened to you. I also recognize that you are upset and angry, especially working side-by-side...wait, working while union slackers watch. It's a crap situation no doubt.

    I didn't say you shafted business, but should this come to pass it would.

    I personally prefer at-will employment. One time when i was working in a retail store I came to the realization that i did nearly all the work on my shift while the other three employees worked harder at not doing stuff.

    I walked up on a conversation they were having where they all were complaining about how far they had to walk down the hallway to the timeclock to punch in, and how much " work" that was.

    Seriously, fifteen steps down a hallway was a legitimate hardship to them.

    Less then 5 minutes later I had turned in my shirt and was free of that place without breaking my word or anything. Liberating.

    At will allows employees to extract themselves from bad situations and minimize psychological/physical hardship in doing so. On the same note, employers can decide they no longer need you without having to expose themselves to the damage a spiteful employee can cause in their "lame duck" time after they get a warning it's coming.

    Does it provide the opportunity for people in power to power trip and burn those under them? absolutely. Inherent in freedom is risk.

    Take heart in the fact that the business is worse off without you then you are without it, and that finding another job won't be under the exacting conditions your proposal would create.
     
  8. Slug71

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    Im not suggesting change it completely.
    Just saying/asking, is it too much to ask employers to give 1 warning so that employees that do not belong to a union have one chance to fix/change their ways?
     
  9. jame

    jame I don't even know....what I'm doing here....

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    I understand that things might be tougher where you are, as opposed to where I am, but why would you want to work with an employer like that?
     
  10. Slug71

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    Fired.

    No idea. All I know is one of the managers didn't like me for some reason.
    I did Loss Prevention for a grocery store. Just after my probation/training period on my first shoplift stop, I made a small mistake and let the shoplifter pay for the items. Not supposed to do that since we can't send the civil fine by doing so.

    This one manager blatantly lied and told upper management that I told her not to tell anyone that I let the shoplifter pay for the items. This is absolutely not true.
    In fact I called both my supervisor and manager(LP department) and told them both immediately after.

    I found out about this lie a few weeks later from the LP manager and immediately notified the upper two store managers that it was not true.
    I think since then this manager obviously had something in for me.
     
  11. Why not join the union? Seems like you have a notion the grass is greener on that side, why not got see for yourself why it isn't?
     
  12. Slug71

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    Totally understand what you're saying.
    I worked for a grocery store as a Loss Prevention agent. Saw that a lot!
     
  13. Slug71

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    Oh I definitely don't. I just can't help but think about how many other people this has happened to.

    Don't miss the stress and politics of this job at all. Think i'm more pissed at the fact that it's going to be difficult to move out of State now.
     
  14. gjk5

    gjk5 Pinche Gringo

    wait, thought you got fired for "no reason"?


    there is always a reason..
     
  15. Slug71

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    My position didn't have that option but I am definitely not for unions!
    Didn't mean to sound like I am.
     
  16. Slug71

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    I wasn't given a reason.

    Manager walked in and said "some things are going on and so we're letting you go today". That was it.
     
  17. Louisville Glocker

    Louisville Glocker Urban Redneck

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    I've had to fire several people. Probably my least favorite part of being a boss. I only do so for cause. That is, employee misconduct or neglect of duties. Examples are multiple no call, no shows. Or theft. I've hired spotters (PI's) to observe the theft once it is suspected, so I can document just cause. Otherwise, they can try to collect unemployment from me. (well, the state would pay it, but it would raise my future unemployment insurance rates). I've had to defend myself on just firings in multiple cases, both in KY and AZ, and I've never lost a case (all firings were found by the state to be justified)

    I hate slackers. I'm lazy, but I'm a lazy workaholic. I do my job. So should others.
     
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  18. Slug71

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    Don't have to see stuff like this every day though! :)

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    He's wearing Jordan's shoes and addidas shorts. You can see shes dressed all preppy and both had smartphones.

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    $331 ending balance. That's left on their F/S card.

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    Can't see it in this pic but the back was loaded with subs and amps.....
     
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  19. Slug71

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    Agreed.
     
  20. gjk5

    gjk5 Pinche Gringo

    Just because you weren't given a reason doesn't man there WASN'T a reason.

    There was a reason.