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Army general is military's first openly gay flag officer

Discussion in 'The Furball Forum' started by Bren, Aug 11, 2012.

  1. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

    Jan 16, 2005
    This is not really a political issue, or an Army issue - more of a social issue thing I guess, so I'm going to try GNG as a forum for it.

    Army general is military's first openly gay flag officer

    The interesting thing isn't that they made her a general and let her "wife" pin on her stars - that would be in keeping with Army policy . . . if you could make general in your first year.

    The interesting part is, she has been in the Army for 26 years. More than 19 years ago, she had to state in writing that she was not a homosexual in order to join and I believe she may have had to lie about it again on her security clearance documents throughout the years. Even during Don't Ask Don't Tell, she was in violation for actually having a girlfriend/wife/whatever she calls her. DADT only stopped them from asking, it remained a UCMJ violation to have sex with a person of the same sex.

    So that decided to ignore violations o fthe past - but does that wipe out an entire career of lying to the Army and violating regulations, to make her a general?

    If she was straight and had a DUI as a captain, she probably wouldn't even be in the Army right now.
  2. Kilrain

    Kilrain Señor Member

    Apr 25, 2001
    On the road to Shambala
    Being that she's a gay flag officer, does her car have little rainbow flags on the front fenders when she's driven around?


  3. Ummagumma


    Sep 26, 2011
    It's not like she's lied about her qualifications or having a prior criminal record. She lied under a policy of discrimination that 40 years from now would appear no different than "No colored people" policies do now. She shouldn't have been put in this situation in the first place.
  4. Caver 60

    Caver 60

    Jun 12, 2007
    I know of at least three full bull Colonels who received UCMJ punishment for adultery. One case happened within the last year or so. I don't see any reason she should be given an exemption for her violations. I'm on Bren's side on this one.
  5. What would McArthur, Patton, Bradley, Nimitz, Sgt. York and Audie Murphy think of this crap?
  6. bunk22


    May 25, 2009
    Yet she looks so hetero! Whew...
  7. kiole


    Feb 16, 2008
    How would you feel if she was Jewish and there was a policy against Jews serving? Then years later the discriminative policy was eliminated. Would you think her hiding her religion was justified?
  8. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

    Nov 24, 2005
    Well,.....she looks like a dude, guess she is on top?
  9. Ummagumma


    Sep 26, 2011
    What's the UCMJ definition of adultery ? Seriously, I've got no idea. Were they married and fooling around ? Or were they unmarried and had a girlfriend ?

    Are all UCMJ personnel prohibited by having a relationship with other UCMJ personnel, even if neither is married ?
  10. fireguy129

    fireguy129 NRA Member 2008

    May 31, 2001
    Northeast Pa, usa
    Anyone surprised? Really??
  11. davew83

    davew83 hhhhhhhhmmmmmmm

    Oct 27, 2004
    Probably would worry more about the work they do than who they sleep with.
  12. SPIN2010

    SPIN2010 Searching ...

    Mar 14, 2010
    On the move ... again!
    Right on the money, Bren.

    Just more proof we are in the time of what is right is wrong and what is wrong is right.

    Fact: A lying CIC or a lying general, whats the difference? No agency is enforcing the law on criminals and the american people have no power over their leaders to do so anymore.
  13. Big Bird

    Big Bird NRA Life Member

    Aug 7, 2003
    Louisville KY
    The real question is was she promoted because of her sexuality or in spite of it?

    Regardless...promotion party following the ceremony to be held at the "Don't ask don't tell club."
  14. KalashniKEV


    Sep 24, 2003
    WOW... just wow... :wow:

    Did you equate concealing her sexuality prior to DADT to getting tanked and taking the party on the road?

    INTERESTING indeed... (your comment)

    Have you not violated Article 125? Because I did routinely...

    I guess it's a good thing I'll never be a General.

    If you were a runaway slave, your record was clean after the Emancipation.

    If you were a top performer in service to Nation, serving under a backward policy that was later reversed, your record is similarly clean whether you're a General officer or an E-4 for life.

    I'm really surprised by your shameful comment. You should slap the **** out of yourself and edit the OP, IMO. :shocked:
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2012
  15. I see you spelled flag correctly.


    And yeah, if she lied to get her security clearance, she needs to be prosecuted. It's a matter of national security, not a sex club.

  16. zoyter2

    zoyter2 Yeah, so what?

    Jun 25, 2002
    Anniston, Alabama
    I think people are avoiding the REAL issue and dodging what NEEDS TO BE SAID........................

    Congratulations on your promotion and thank you for your service General Smith. :patriot:
  17. KalashniKEV


    Sep 24, 2003

    This is a historic moment in the history of the United States Army and should be celebrated, but really, congratulations to BG Smith!!

    The age of Radical Christian Moralism is over in this country. Our culture has progressed.

    No longer do we have THE FIRST AMERICAN FEMALE ASTRONAUT living in shame of her sexuality, and in secret. No longer do we have General Officers living lives of service- contrary to the policies of their organizations.

    We can celebrate the WHOLE HERO now... and that's a very good thing!

  18. It seems that her work over her career was exceptional to the point that she was promoted again, and again, and again until she was among the highest leaders in our Army.

    You've got to remember... In response to a set of discriminatory, unjust and un-American regulations against a large number of their fellow soldiers, the Armed Forces has ignored sexual orientation for decades. They didn't much talk about it. Soldiers did their jobs. Soldiers got promoted according to how well they did their jobs. They even got Congress and Pres. Clinton to codify it with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", while those unjust regs were heading out the door for good.

    Here's the test for government recognition of marriage or equal treatment under the law, or any right of any American: Is this a right of a citizen? Is she a citizen? If yes, and yes, then yes.

    Congratulations to General Smith, and to our Army for truly reflecting our citizenry.
  19. Detectorist


    Jul 16, 2008
    I agree 100%

    Having served on active duty in the Reserve Personnel Center, I've seen it time and time again.

    For example: back then the Officer regulations stated that if you fail certain career courses you must be discharged. I've seen a female officer fail twice and nothing happened to her. On top of that, I was threatened with disciplinary action of I looked into it further.
  20. boby


    Feb 4, 2006
    Who cares what a bunch of dead guys think?