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Army dissing Leupold

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by faawrenchbndr, Jun 13, 2011.

  1. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

    Nov 24, 2005
    So what's the story with the Army dissing Leupold?

    I've heard rumors, but no one seems to want to discuss the issue.
    What the heJJ is the deal?! :dunno:
  2. Mayhem like Me

    Mayhem like Me Semper Paratus

    Mar 13, 2001
    Not a chance
    leupold is not near the quality they were 10-15 years ago

  3. I've owned a few Leupolds and 10-15 years ago they were an excellent value.
    Today there are much better buys. I recently bought a Weaver Super Slam 2-10 that absolutlely smoked the leuplod VX-III 3-9 in sharpness and brightness and had killer target knobs, great warranty and was less money. The Vortex line of scopes are stellar optics and have a better warranty.
  4. AK_Stick

    AK_Stick AAAMAD

    Jan 20, 2004
    Alaska, again (for now)
    Everyone else has stepped up their game, and Leupold has pretty much stayed where they were growing fat off the military contracts they held.

    That said, some of the new tactical lines are very nice.

    Personally, I'm a fan of Ziess, and Swarvoski but I've still got a couple of Leupolds doing duty
  5. doneroman

    doneroman SheepDogs-R-Us

    Apr 17, 2009
    The Infidel lair
    I'd say it has to do with the black market and the Leopolds being openly copied by the Chinese, but that's almost all scopes now. I think the last Mk IVs had a glut of Chinese knock offs?
  6. MajorD


    Aug 16, 2010
    leupold would still be a much better choice than the tasco (yes it is true!) scopes given our squad designated marksman when I went to Iraq in 2004. Within a couple months those that still bothered carrying the m14's were doing so stripped of the optics- fogging sand in the turrets etc. absolute junk.
  7. Chuck TX

    Chuck TX CLM

    Jul 11, 2003
    Republic of Texas
    Yep. I have some older Leupolds that are ok, but they are worlds behind Zeiss and Swarovski. First time I tried a buddy's Zeiss, that was it, I switched. Keep the Leupolds on some hunting rifles I seldom use. Use the good stuff on the rifles I shoot most often.
  8. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

    Nov 24, 2005
    Thanks guys,.....was not pointing a finger toward anyone here. A recent
    post here reminded me of a few threads I had read on ARFcom and others.

    When active all I ever carried was an A2 or an M4,.......never got issued optics.
  9. humanguerrilla


    Jul 25, 2006
    the woods
    Lot of pictures of US optics and S&B scopes in use.

    Was pumped about the leupold VTAC 1-8x Mark VIII until the usmc bought them for a friggin' heavy machine gun and grenade launcher and set price pushing $4k.
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2011
  10. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

    Nov 24, 2005
    I bought a Mark IV 3.5-10, should get to the house tomorrow.
    Would LOVE a USO, SB or a NF,......but the wife would cut my balz off!
  11. mpow66m

    mpow66m NRA,GOA,SAF

    Sep 9, 2009

    Can you recommend a good scope that wont break the bank for 100- 300 yds.Say 1/4 MOA?
  12. iLift45's


    Jan 29, 2011
    I'm throwing the BS flag on this!! In what way? Every scope I have bought from them has been top notch! Dollar for dollar you are getting one hell of a scope for the price!
  13. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

    Nov 24, 2005
    This Mark IV will be my ninth Leupold scope since about 1994.
    I've always been completely satisfied with the scopes. However, there is a heJJ
    of a difference in hunting with a scope & using one in a environment like Afghanistan!
  14. Greyhoundman


    Nov 21, 2010
    Ofallon, Mo

    I put a Nikon M223 scope (2-8 power) on an AR I recently built and am very happy with it. If I recall correctly it was on sale with the AR mount for around $320 or so.
  15. Hoser

    Hoser Ninja

    May 22, 2002
    It is not that they have gone downhill, but they certainly have not improved very much until the past two years when Nightforce, Premier and S&B put a huge ding in their military contracts.

    My S&B scopes might be 2.5 times the cost of a Loopy MK-IV, but is night and day better. I still use a few Loopy 6.5-20s on my Silhouette rifles, but that is it.

    I just got a 1.1-8 and time will tell how it holds up. So far I am impressed.
  16. AK_Stick

    AK_Stick AAAMAD

    Jan 20, 2004
    Alaska, again (for now)

    You have to understand, top notch for a hunter/weekend shooter/class student, even police, is much different than that of what a soldier does.

    For hunters, Leupold is still the benchmark. They're no the best, but they're probably the most common, reliable, dependable, solid optics. They offer lines from cheap, no frills straight forward fixed power, to high quality, high power, HD glass variables.

    As years have gone by, they've not really improved their lines, while other brands have caught up, or surpassed them. Not too many years ago, I would have scoffed at the idea of topping a nice rifle with a Burris, or a Simmons. Leupold and Redfield were the popular names, because they produced a solid, quality product.

    However, for the .mil, other companies, i.e. Nightforce, US Optics, and S&B, have all listened to what the .mil wanted. Better glass, higher powers, better reticules ect. They work better with NVGs ect.

    The aforementioned turrets don't hold up real well in the sand, they're not as nice when you put a PVS-14 behind or a PVS-22/4 infront of the scope. For your average hunter/police/weekend shooter, these aren't really big concerns. For a soldier, they can be immensely big deals.

    No one is saying Leupold is a bad company. They just rested on their laurels too long, and everyone else has caught up. Now they have to do some work to get back to where they were.
  17. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

    Nov 24, 2005
    Thanks for the info 'Stick. That's kinda what I thought it was.
  18. Randolph da man

    Randolph da man

    Nov 12, 2006
    here is somehting Ive always noticed about leupy fans.
    They ALWAYS talk about how awesome the warranty and customer service is.

    Like AK stick, I prefer zeiss and Swarvoski
    but ya know what.
    I have no idea how their warranty is, Ive never had to send one back to the factory :p
  19. 2240


    Jan 5, 2004
    Zeiss customer service is top notch...I don't know about Leupold.
    Had my Zeiss bino strap broke off. Sent it back to Zeiss expecting a bill. Came back fixed with no charge note.