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Armscor M206

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by emt1581, May 20, 2011.

  1. emt1581

    emt1581 Curious Member

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    For $210 OTD and from what I've read about the company it seems like a nice deal. But does anyone actually own this model? What's it like? Any complaints?

    Thanks!

    -Emt1581
     
  2. ekmek

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    I have the snub-nose model and have no complaints so far. A real bargain. I think these will take off like their 1911's.
     


  3. emt1581

    emt1581 Curious Member

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    They've actually been out for a while now. But through the years NO ONE talks about them. Yet they are frequently out of stock and the larger model is right now over at Centerfire. But again for $210-$215 or even $225 OTD these seem like bargains for beater guns.

    I've watched a few videos on them as well as the larger model M200 and M202 and no one's complained about them yet...though the complaints don't tend to show up until AFTER one's bought the gun...then the replies saying what junk theirs has been crawl out of the woodwork.

    Thanks

    -Emt1581
     
  4. ekmek

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    People who bad mouth them tend to have never handled one and tend to think they're junk solely because they don't cost as much as a Ruger or Smith. I plan on shooting the crap out of mine without worrying about getting it scratched up or the finish wearing off. I'll be happy to buy more of them to keep around the house.
     
  5. Bruce M

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    I have handled a couple of them and they seemed good for the price, but never shot one. I would be interested to hear how it is after a few rounds.
     
  6. emt1581

    emt1581 Curious Member

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    I've been reading about them elsewhere and I've seen a bunch of people say they have thousands of rounds through theirs. No clue what the finish/gun looks like after that but I've yet to read any real complaints on them, just cosmetic and for a cheap/beater gun that's kinda the point anyways.

    I think I'll pick one up just to give it a try.

    -Emt1581
     
  7. HotRoderX

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    I am curious to here how it does for ya EMT keep us updated. I might get one as a truck gun if its as solid as there 1911's. At 200bucks and some change it getting beat around in my truck isnt a big deal.
     
  8. itstime

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    I should take a closer look at these. I wish they had a 357. Then I would be telling you about it right now.
     
  9. HotRoderX

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    In a snub style gun 357mag can be pretty nasty. I pefer 38specials or 38special +P. in a small frame gun atleast.
     
  10. emt1581

    emt1581 Curious Member

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    Bingo. .357mag snubbies are NOT fun and offer little in the way of an advantage over .38spl's today.

    However, if they offered a 4" .357mag I'd be all over that like white on rice in a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snow storm!!

    -Emt1581
     
  11. fnfalman

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    They look like Colts but other than that I don't know anything else about them. Seems like there's no review on them.
     
  12. HotRoderX

    HotRoderX Gen4 BETATester

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    when I think snubby I think 2inches or less anything over isn't so bad. Like you said ballistically 357mag has almost no advantage out of such a short barrel
     
  13. atakawow

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    What data do you base your conclusion from? Have a read: http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/38vs357snub.htm

    Take a close look at the results. The difference between a .38 and .357 out of a snub, using somewhat similar bullet weight, is roughly 400 ft/sec. I don't know what you shoot, but 400 ft/sec is a huge difference in velocity to me.

    Here is more to compare with: http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/ammo.aspx

    Scroll down to "Gold Dot Short Barrel Personal Protection." Using 135 gr bullet, there is a 33% difference in muzzle energy between the two rounds. Pretty damn significant to me.
     
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  14. emt1581

    emt1581 Curious Member

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    And with that extra 400fps...what additional performance would you have?

    www.Boxotruth.com usually has a good amount of gel/tests on this kind of stuff rather than just charts.

    -Emt1581
     
  15. WiskyT

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    The 357 has major velocity increases over the 38+P. Whether that velocity helps anything is debatable, but there is a big difference. I can shoot 158's at 1150fps with factory ammo out of my 2.25" SP101, you can't get much over 800 with a 38+P. The differences with handloading are even greater.
     
  16. emt1581

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    But the actual "help" is what I'm looking at. What can a .357mag do out of a 2" barrel that a +P .38spl cannot?

    EDIT: I just thought about it and the extra oomph would give you better distance which is ironic because in a 2" package for SD we're talking typically burping smell distances when it's time to draw/shoot.

    -Emt1581
     
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  17. WiskyT

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    With a heavier bullet, at higher speed, you get more reliable expansion and deeper penetration. In a 38 snub, the light bullets don't penetrate as much, and the heavier bullets stand a good chance of not expanding. A 158 at 1150 will expand and penetrate.

    BUT, I have a SW442:supergrin:
     
  18. emt1581

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    What you're saying makes sense but I'd want to see some realistic tests that prove it before I submit to it.

    In my experience the only thing .357mag gave me compared to .38spl out of the 2" barrel were MUCH slower follow-ups and a sore hand.

    -Emt1581
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2011
  19. WiskyT

    WiskyT Malcontent

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    The only way to prove it would be to hire on as a merc and run around Libya with a 357 snubby. Bring 38's and 357's find out which ammo works best.
     
  20. fnfalman

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    When you shoot a .357 Mag round out of a snubbie, even if you were to miss the target, you'd light that mutha on fire with the flamethrower muzzle blast. Of course, said muzzle blast also blinds you as well, so you both get to play shootin'-while-blinded game.