The excellent thread on trolling and the related thread on 'I'm out of here' has does something very, very unusual... it got me to thinking. FEAR NOT, I'm sure this is just a passing fancy and am confident that it is not a harbinger of things to come. For those of us who remember legal pads and number 2 pencils the internet is still something that is a new fanged wonderment that is either loved, hated or just plain tolerated. For many of the newer loaders or total newbs it very well may be the way you've grown up doing research, be it for schooling, business or recreation. There is no denying that in some aspects it makes life easier, decreases time spent, miles driven and avails one to literally speak to someone of like, or unlike thinking on the other side of the world. These are all positive, and to me, amazing attributes of technology. I believe it's called progress. There is however, a downside... especially for the newb reloader. That downside is face to face, hands on learning. When I first started loading, back when Columbus was my next door neighbor and the earth was still flat, there were so many quality gun shops you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting one and if for some reason you lived more than a few miles from a gun club you could always find a group of guys out in a field practicing the art of arms. Many, if not most of the gun shops had an extensive reloading section that catered to the all-around shooter. (No, reloading is not a recent phenomenon... not by a long shot. Lookie, lookie, I made a pun. Sorry.) Except for Brownells and one or two other mail order companies you simply went down to your favorite shop and picked what you wanted off the shelf. No shipping, no haz-mat, just dropped your money on the counter and scurried off with your new plunder. It didn't take many trips to a quality shop to realize that it was more than just a place to buy a pound of powder or a brick of primers... they were social clubs. Places where people of common interests gathered to exchange information, share a always on pot of coffee and learn from the veterans. It was a time when people like Elmer Keith, Bill Jordan, P.O. Ackley, McGivern and Hatcher were not just some old fogies lost to history but rather were the trail blazers of the shooting world. Didn't know what press would best suit your needs? Not to worry, many, many shops had display presses set up on loading benches and no where in sight was there a sign that said, 'Don't Touch'. (Dillon still does business this way... good for them. I haven't been to the Hornady factory so I don't know if they have machines set up to demo.) Wasn't sure how to load a particular caliber, or how to trim, crimp, cast, swage a pocket, ream a pocket or even how to use a primer flipper... didn't matter, there was always a group of grizzled old veteran loaders who were more than willing to show you how and then regale you with stories of how they single handedly beat the Huns. So, are newbie loaders at a disadvantage... from my perspective, yes... you miss out on the hands on learning experience, the tales of yore, the camaraderie that develops while listening in wonderment, and most of all, you miss out on those wonderful memories. Well, I guess you'll have memories of the porn you watch after you log of the GT forum. Jack Wanna kill these ads? We can help!