Are HK's Really Superior?

Discussion in 'Heckler & Koch Forum' started by ColCol, Jun 1, 2012.

  1. I've had HK's. Never impressed vs. Glock. If I need a gun to go high round count I choose Glock again.

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  2. HK is a BMW. Glock is a Toyota Camry. Compare the two anyway you choose!

    #182 Iceman cHucK, Sep 26, 2012
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2012
  3. deeHKman

    deeHKman "It Is Written"

    I retired from BMW so i agree but Glock's not much for me i tried to like them and for the money there a solid choice but the Gen4's and latest Glock's i'm not into being a beta tester.
    For a striker the PPQ has my interest alot!! Ice i think saying a Glock is a Camry is stretching it ;) but to each his own!!
  4. Has HK ever had issues like the Glock????

    brass to face, FRTB issues, frame rail recall, faulty mag catches?????

    Glock is becoming the Yugo of the handgun world....

    i don't own one yet, but i would rather pay $1K for a gun that does not throw brass in my face than buy two glocks that are POS!!!!
  5. So the thread goes close to a month without interest or a reply and then along comes one of the forum trolls...

    and in one post proves how little he knows about either. :rofl:
  6. Ok, I'll play. I'm bored...

    While glocks are no H&K they are FAR from POS(es?). I have never had either of my glocks.

    I have to carry one on duty and feel comfortable doing so. I even brought one for a BUG/off duty.

    Come on dude, at least OWN an H&K before typing stupid comments!

    Oh, and my HK45c is on my hip right now. Feels so right!
  7. I just traded a 21 for a HK 45C and I'm quite happy so far, I EDC Glocks and will continue to do so, I see no use in carrying a $1000 pistol that if forced to use will be gone forever. Glocks I can afford to replace, HK not so much. Fit and finish of my 45C is awesome, it just feels solid, the trigger is awful though. Range trip tomorrow.
  8. deeHKman

    deeHKman "It Is Written"

    Dry fire and shooting the trigger smooth's out quite nicely and lube as the manual...i carry a 45c most everyday or a P30s 9mmv3...Congrat's on your HK!!!
  9. Glocks will run. HKs will run. Glocks will malfunction relatively rarely. HKs will malfunction relatively rarely.

    I'd feel I had a reliable, accurate pistol carrying either. I feel I have a slightly more reliable, accurate pistol carrying an HK. Todd Green's endurance tests sealed the deal for me in that regard. When someone figures out how to truly, fairly, and empirically test 'em, then we'll know. Until then, it's all down to perception.
  10. you can take your "troll" comment and shove it where the sun does not shine......

    i love how people like you make assumptions about people you know nothing about......

    i guess you have not been around glocks very long to know about the issues i have pointed out....

    i wish i had sold my three glocks to some sucker like you!!!
    #190 Beretta92guy, Oct 28, 2012
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2012
  11. Awww. I'm sorry honey if I upset you. I didn't mean to make you cry. :crying:

    This is specifically what you wrote.

    I've heard all the crying at some point. Some are legitimate issues and some are issues on internet forums that real users don't seem to experience. I myself finally experience brass to face with my gen3 17C recently. Stripped the slide, cleaned everything, oiled it properly, and now no more brass to face. I guess with Glock now making over a million new guns per year we should expect a few issues and more than a few internet complaints. I guess HK is just perfect right? I guess they have never had a problem with any of their uber perfect weapons? I guess (for example) the following never actually happened?

    Contact: (703) 450-1900
    February 10, 2000


    Sterling, VA -- Heckler and Koch, Inc. (HK) is voluntarily recalling a
    quantity of Universal Machine Pistol’s (UMP) and Universal
    Sporting Carbine’s (USC) shipped since the last quarter of 1999,
    effective immediately.
    This recall was prompted by recent reports of approximately
    twenty instances of breakage of the operating handle. The
    operating handle, manufactured of a polymer composite, is used
    to retract the bolt, allowing the user to load or unload the
    weapon. If the operating handle breaks, the firearm is then
    rendered inoperable.
    HK is recalling UMP’s with serial numbers 163-001001 through
    163-001200. USC’s with serial numbers 47-000102 through
    47-002600 are also being recalled.
    "While there is no possibility of harm to the user as a direct
    result of operating handle breakage, HK is initiating this recall,
    effective immediately, in the interest of the safety of our
    customers," said Eoin Stafford, HK President. "This action only
    serves to underscore HK’s commitment to providing the highest
    quality product and best service possible. Most importantly, we
    thank our customers for their patience and understanding as we
    move to resolve this as quickly as possible."
    All of the recalled firearms will be fitted with a newly-designed
    operating handle by HK’s technical department at no charge.
    Current UMP and USC product on order will be refitted prior to
    shipment. The new operating handle is currently in production and
    HK expects to commence installation within the next six to eight
    HK is recommending that USC and UMP owners not use their
    firearms until the new handle is installed. Owners are requested
    to please contact HK at (703) 450-1900, ext. 226 to confirm
    shipment and installation procedure." :dunno:

    Sorry but I buy my guns new if possible. I'm sure you did the honest thing and told every potential buyer that the guns you were selling were in you opinion faulty? I doubt it. Now that you have made a Yugo comparison I assert you are not only a troll but have little knowledge about guns and cars. :wavey:

  12. hey prick, the more you post, the more that it just proves my point.......

    but don't let me old are you, 15????

    edit: oh damn, i almost forgot....Glocks unsupported .40 chambers they had for several years causing KB's....

    and the issue with G22's not functioning with rail mounted lights with several LEO agencies (per Evan Marshalls site)

    and you post ONE PR from HK, from 1999.............

    see how ignorant you are, fanboy????

    the truth, it does hurt, doesn't it???
    #192 Beretta92guy, Oct 28, 2012
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2012
  13. Name calling doesn't do much to make you appear older than a child, either.

    If both of you are bent on carrying on a public conversation, perhaps it would be best done at an adult level. The rest of the class is watching.
  14. H&K 4 LIFE

    H&K 4 LIFE Leonum A Ignis


    Calm down.

    Handguns are just tools.

    All of my Glocks and my HK's work fine. I wouldn't own them if they didn't. I'd also shoot a SIG, a Beretta, a S&W or just about any other quality pistol if you handed it to me. I tend not to gripe and moan about what is essentially good equipment.

    I get a laugh out of people who think HK is garbage, and get the same sort of laugh out of those who think it's stuff only some elite special forces Jedi use. To me, both positions are equally humorous.

    With regards to the recall, jbglock, on the USC/UMP (from over twelve years ago) this just means HK recognized a potential issue with a firearm they designed, was willing to admit it, and sought to remedy the issue.

    In addition, for the purpose of this conversation, HK has never issued a factory recall or "parts upgrade" with regards to any pistol they have manufactured, past or present.

    You must also bare in mind that HK is not exactly a slouch in the world's small arms market and produces a large variety of firearms. These include rifles, sub-machine guns, light machine guns, and even automatic grenade launchers.

    HK is not exactly a one trick pony like Glock and the vast majority of what they produce works, and in fact, works very well.
  15. Funny how I directly addressed your post yet you can't seem to address any of mine. Very telling. :rofl:

    Close to a hundred thousand reloads through 2 gen3 23 Glocks and not one kaboom. Probably close to the same amount of factory loaded ammunition and still no kaboom. Of course I don't hot load and try to turn my 40cal gun into a 10mm. If I need a 10mm then I simply buy a 10mm gun. I mean I could start making up facts like you but then what is the point? :dunno:

    Funny but I don't see the boys from the local SO yanking the lights off their guns. Once again though no gun is perfect, including HK. HK is so perfect yet I see not one local agency (including my own) put them to use. Everyone (other than those buying their own guns) is using either Sig or Glock. Shall we now talk about the trooper that got killed long ago when the firing pin broke in his P7?

    I'm sorry but with HK it is called an upgrade not a recall since then. Of course Glock knows that trick also. :upeyes:

    No I don't. I (once again) see myself addressing you point by point and you simply making up things, claiming things as fact that aren't, and name calling.

    Not really. I mean I guess you are emotionally invested in your gun and all. For me all of them except a few are tools. They are the tools I am required to have to perform a job. A job that includes being able to protect myself and protect the public (even those obviously unstable such as yourself). I have no problem ditching a tool if I feel a significantly better one exists. No HK in my holsters though. I've had them and although good tools they just didn't seem good enough to me.

    If you are emotionally invested you really should avoid the next link...

    I think if anyone sees anything they feel is in violation of the rules they should report it as is proper.
  16. Chuck TX


    Whatdaya mean a month? You've been posting here longer than that. :rofl:
  17. Noles26

    Noles26 Made in Texas

    Is Noles26 really superior to you ?


    Have a good day.
  18. Nuff said...:supergrin:

    Well... so much for that. Photo is too big. Pity...
    #198 LSP972, Nov 16, 2012
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2012
  19. Irrelevant.

    Again, name calling doesn't do much to make either of you appear older than a child, either.

    If both of you are bent on carrying on a public conversation, perhaps it would be best done at an adult level. Are you able? The rest of the class is still watching.
  20. Seems we both dropped this discussion over 2 weeks ago. Maybe it isn't our adult level that should be questioned but your ability to tell what date things are posted and not stir things up that are over like a little child. :upeyes:

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