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AR15 for Varmint hunting?

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by Cole125, Mar 12, 2012.

  1. Cole125

    Cole125 Silver Member

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    I am looking for a super accurate upper or complete AR15 .223 rifle to use for long range varmint hunting and paper punching. Looking for something in the 20 to 24 inch barrel range that will group under 2 inches at 200 yards. Any suggestions on brands or models? Thanks.
     
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    I built mine and can hit a 1 inch group all day at 100 yards.



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  3. WoodenPlank

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    No need to go past 20". Unless you're using handloads specific to it, a 24" barrel will give you 0 extra velocity over a 20", and in some cases you'll even lose a few FPS. An 18-20" barrel really is the sweet spot for maximizing velocity.
     
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    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Rock River Arms has a 20" Varmint upper that kicks azz!
     
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    My dad has one of their 20" varmint uppers. I seem to remember he was getting sob-MOA groups with Hornady 75gr Match loads and a cheap Wal-Mart scope.
     
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    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    There was a rather heated thread about this a while back.
    Some seemed to think the additional 3 pounds that a bull
    barrel would make a rifle too darn heavy. I say get your
    fat can off the couch and into the gym!

    A RRA with a 20" bull barrel is a great shooter!
     
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    I can personally vouch for that!!!
     
  8. The Pirate

    The Pirate HARRRRR!!!

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    Haha, I started that thread and here's what I ended up with:

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    RRA coyote rifle upper, RRA lower w/ 2 stage trigger. Millet DMS-1 with Burris P.E.P.R. mount. I'm real happy with it, shoots great. Packed it around most of the day today no problem.
     
  9. bmoore

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    Wrong, try again. I (and some others) said that the extra 3 pounds gives you absolutely zero benefit over a traditional barrel for hunting purposes. But hey those bull barrels look cool, and thats all that matters. They make you look like you know what your doing, dude that guy must be the super predator caller................hes got a bull barrel.

    And your right, I totally forgot because this is the internet and everyone besides you is fat. And if people actually put their calling rig together by using their brain trying to shave off pounds that are not needed then the problem is simple, they just need to get into the gym. Im actually gonna take a Fender amp on my stand tomorrow to really get that Woodpecker distress out there, I mean why take just the Foxpro when you can take a Fender hotrod deluxe amp? You need to hit the gym if you take just a Foxpro.

    And again just throw this info in the garbage because its actually coming from someone who predator calls, not somebody who just talks about it. Or even more importantly, not someone who sits in a deer stand all day with a cup of coffe and a Bass fishing magazine.
     
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    Thanks for the input guys! I'll look into the RRA with a 20" bull barrel. Any other suggestions?

    So going over 20" you gain nothing at all in terms of accuracy?
     
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    faawrenchbndr DirtyThirty fan CLM

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    Five or six years ago I would have also suggested the Varmint model
    from Bushmaster, however their QC has been lacking the last few years.
     
  12. bmoore

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    If your set on the AR platform, I would go with the RRA. Im a big bolt 22-250 fan so thats what my advice would be but its all about what you want. They both will drive nails.
     
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    Model 1 Sales have some Varmint models as well, however
    I can not/will not recommend them. Unless they have
    changed in the last few years.
     
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    Accuracy in 5.56 is mainly a product of bullet design, barrel quality, and velocity. I've seen SBRs hold sub-MOA groups at 100+ yards before, because it was a quality barrel with quality ammo. A quality 20" barrel, with the right ammo, will probably be more accurate than you will.

    Velocity begins to drop off with barrels longer than 20". Most 5.56 loads are optimized for 16-20".
     
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    I was one of the "others" agreeing that a bull barrel provides no advantages to a standard ar barrel when hunting coyotes. faawrenchbndr almost always makes very informative helpful posts. However, I have to agree that the "anyone that doesn't want to carry a bull barrel needs to got to the gym" comment is very silly. I'm in great shape and could carry a 50# gun all day if it gave me an advantage, but in this case it provides no measurable improvement. Any High quality upper with a free-float handguard (and many without) will meet the requirements that you specify. However, I will add that a good trigger will help you more in the accuracy department than any barrel, handguard, or upper you can buy.

    farmer2
     
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    Now there is an informative, intellegent and well thought out comment. I can see YOUR point, I can agree with it to a point. But I feel a "bull barrel" brings SO much more to the table than just weight. And this is based upon MY shooting experience, not other's opinions & reviews.

    Good, bad or ugly,........it's my opinion.
     
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    Well fellows I think I made up my mind that I want to buy the Rock River 20 inch upper.

    Who is a good online retailer to buy this upper from?
     
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    I bought the one posted above from PK Firearms. I ordered it on monday and recieved it on wednesday. Fastest service I've ever had on something like this. Good luck
     
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    Thanks for the heads up, that looks like a good retailer. Also how do you like the Burris P.E.P.R. mount? I am trying to put together a upper package to buy, scope, mount scope and bi-pod.

    Also suggestions on a sub $400 scope for the setup would be welcome. I have considered the Nikon M223, is there anything better in the price range?

    I'll use it on one of the lowers I have for now, but in the future I'll build a dedicated lower for it.