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AR Pistol

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by bigmoney890, Feb 26, 2013.

  1. bigmoney890

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    Anyone know if I have to register my AR as a pistol, or can I just be ok with having the pistol buffer tube on it?
     
  2. larson1122

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    I don't believe you can take a lower that has already been assembled as a rifle and turn it into a pistol. If you start with a stripped lower and never assemble it as a rifle, you can build it as a pistol. When you fill out the 4473 for a lower it should be marked as "other/receiver."
     


  3. G23Adam

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    What's this about gun registration in NC?
     
  4. KK40384

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    Here in MI it has to be registered as a pistol when purchased stripped. Unfortunately for us, we have to register all pistols with our local department and state police.


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  5. In NC, there is no registration.
    If it started as a rifle, then it has to stay a rifle.
    If it started stripped, then you are fine to make it how ever you would like.
     
  6. DrtyHarry

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    Could you legally switch configurations back and forth? Just curious...





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  7. KK40384

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    Typically a pistol has a short barrel (less than 16") so by putting a stock on it without a tax stamp you're asking for trouble and a date with big bubba. Assuming you want a pistol with a 16" barrel then I don't see why you couldn't just put a stock on it whenever you like. Having such a setup is pointless as a pistol.


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  8. larson1122

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    As long as it starts as a pistol.
     
  9. bigmoney890

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    I know that there's no registration here. I was unclear in my OP. I was referring to any forms for the ATF? I don't want them to show up one day and my pistol AR to be illegal. It has a pistol buffer tube already. No upper mounted yet.
     
  10. WoodenPlank

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    So long as it is on the 4473 as "OTHER" (as all stripped lowers should be), you're fine.
     
  11. Here's the stupidity of the law- did you buy this brand new as either a stripped lower or a pistol lower with the buffer tube installed?

    As mentioned, it's OK to build a stripped receiver into a pistol, and you can convert a pistol to a rifle and back again without any problems.

    However, if you build a rifle with it first, then you can't later make it a pistol. Same goes if the person you bought it from made it into a rifle first. Stupid, right?
     
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  12. DrtyHarry

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    So if one has a stripped lower registered as "other", it can be made into a pistol with a 11.5" upper. But if you remove the pistol buffer tube and add a but stock....you now have an SBR, correct? And that calls for the $200 stamp. Are these stock configurations legal "pistols" or are they considered SBRs?

    https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/featureless-stock-kit-quebec-53658.html

    On a side note, I don't think I ever handled a AR pistol that didn't have problems.


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  13. WoodenPlank

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    The link would be a stock - not legal on a pistol AR.

    Edit: Actually, there's a pistol buffer tube in the photo, as well as a shoulder stock.
     
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  14. DrtyHarry

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    So it's still technically a AR pistol....right?

    If so, might be a good way to go with if you live in a state where you can't own a SBR or don't want to pay the $200 stamp. Interesting.




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  15. KK40384

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    Or in my case, I'm putting a pistol together to keep in the truck. Here in MI we can't drive around with a loaded rifle in the truck. However, with a CPL you can have a loaded AR pistol. That's the only reason I'd want a pistol over a SBR.


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  16. DrtyHarry

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    Would the pistol grip have to be removed as shown in the picture? Couldn't one just use the pistol buffer with that little shoulder stock attached to it?




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  17. KK40384

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    I may be wrong but I think if you have any way to effectively shoulder the weapon it falls under the SBR category. You could shoulder a pistol buffer tube I guess but who knows


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  18. DrtyHarry

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    I thought it simply had to have a barrel shorter than 16" and a RIFLE stock. The kit in the link above simply has a piece attached to the pistol buffer tube, yet the pistol grip has been removed. Why the removal of the pistol grip? Dono....:dunno:




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  19. rockapede

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    Shoulder stock is a shoulder stock. I'd call that a no-go.
     
  20. larson1122

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    It's made for states that limit the number of "evil features."