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AR 15 Newbie, info needed

Discussion in 'Black Rifle Forum' started by Teej, Dec 9, 2012.

  1. Teej

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    I am a complete AR newbie. I shot one once, about 20 rounds and it was great and easy to shoot. All of my military, LEO, and or shooting friends claim "I have to have one". lol

    So I just bought a used BUSHMASTER XM15E2S. It has only had 100 rnds shot through it and not a single scratch on it. I got it for $700 which I do not think is bad.

    It has a traditional solid stock which I like and standard AR sights and no rails. So my plan is to add a quad rail and 200 lumen fore grip flashlight. Probably a 1 point sling and be good to go.

    This will primarily be a fun target shooting rifle while being able to say I have one. I don't plan on any lengthy battles, zombies are always a concern :whistling:. It will probably be taken over by my 16 yr old [unless I go to the range by myself] who for some reason is a complete natural shooting an AR.

    So used with only 100 rnds through it, I do not consider it being broken in.

    So Black Gun guys and gals, what can I expect? Any advice, opinions or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. It states .223 or 5.56 so ammo recomendations and concerns as well as magazine pros and cons would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you very much!!
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  2. Glockdude1

    Glockdude1 Federal Member CLM

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    The Bushmaster will serve you well!!

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    I shoot M193 5.56 thru it with no problems.

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  3. WoodenPlank

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    Get some good lube, good mags (PMAGs are your friend), and a few different kinds of ammo. See what brand and type of ammo it runs reliably and accurately. Buy loads of it.

    For general plinking, look at inexpensive 55 grain loads. I have always had good luck with Federal, as well as their American Eagle line. If you want HD/SD ammo, I'd suggest taking a look at this link.

    Skip the quad rail and light - for now. Learn to run the gun first, then worry about upgrades or modifications.

    Bushmaster has a very hit-and-miss reputation. If you run into any problems, post details here and someone can probably help you out.
     
  4. Teej

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    I use Breakfree on all my other guns including my Glocks. Due I need some special type of Lube for my AR? Oh, and is there any special tool outside of normal gun cleaning tools that I need to have for an AR??
     
  5. ratf51

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    Breakfree is what I use. I have had no problems with it. It is what gets used on all my guns. Though I may try Ballistol when this can runs out.
     
  6. WoodenPlank

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    For lube, the most effective (and by FAR easiest to use) product I have found is SLIP 2000 EWL. Strip down the bolt carrier and clean it well. Wipe down all the surfaces (inside and out of carrier, outside of bolt) with EWL, and a couple extra drops on the gas rings on the bolt itself. Reassemble, and put a drop inside the gas key, too. Put BCG back into AR, and reassemble rifle. The SLIP will seem to evaporate, but leaves a dry lube film behind that still works extremely well.

    If you look through the ejection port (with the gun fully assembled), you'll see a divot in the side of the bolt carrier. There are two holes in this divot. If the gun starts to run sluggish at all, pull your charging handle back about an inch, and look through those two holes. Ease back on the charging handle until you see the shiny steel gas rings through those two holes. One drop of EWL into each hole, and one drop in the third hole behind them on the carrier. Rack the bolt 5-6 time to let the oil work in, and go back to shooting.

    Using EWL, I have easily gone over 2,000 rounds without cleaning and minimal re-lubing (several hundred rounds and several range trips between applications). A 4oz bottle is not that expensive (about $12, as I remember) and will last half of forever.

    SLIP bore cleaner, and their degreaser both work quite well, too.
     
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  7. WayaX

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    Breakfree is fair. If you shoot for an extended period of time, breakfree burns off faster than most (maybe with the exception of Remoil). I've found that after 150 rounds, breakfree is gone, compared to 500+ rounds for some of the better dedicated oils. Slip2000 is the industry standard.
     
  8. Teej

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    Where do you guys get this SLIP lube from??
     
  9. WoodenPlank

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    I'm lucky that one of my local shops became a SLIP dealer recently. However, you can order online direct from SLIP themselves, as well as from Bravo Company. I'm sure plenty of other websites sell it, too.

    Bonus - S2K Gun Lube and EWL are both non-toxic.

    Edit: The tiny 2cc bottles of EWL are freaking AWESOME for keeping in pistol grips, stock storage compartments, etc. Bonus, you can refill them by popping the little nipple out of the bottle.
     
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  10. bmoore

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  11. I am testing DuPont Chainsaver Teflon lube on a AR. I have used it on all my Motorcycles for years with excellent results. It has many of the same issues I need

    1 corrosion resistance
    2 stability on a wide range of temps
    3 shear resistance

    So far it is excellent. As the weather gets colder I will have more data on cold resistance and effects. It leaves a waxy, almost grease like white residue.

    A few hundred rounds as far as reliability you will get a good idea and it will continue to smooth out. These guns seem to have a personality as far as lube needs, issues etc even within the same brand.


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  12. WoodenPlank

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    Thanks for pointing that out. I use a couple drops in the charging handle channel, then a couple drops on the inside of the handle itself (where the gas key rests) before reinserting the BCG into the upper.
     
  13. WoodenPlank

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    I'm not a fan of lubing guns with lubricants not intended for guns. An AR bolt carrier group will be subject to a lot more heat and carbon residue than a motorcycle chain will be.
     
  14. Teej

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    Any special breakin procedure needed for AR's??
     
  15. bmoore

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    Just shoot them. I always clean and lube my firearms after I get them home from the store. I would do the same with yours since it is used. Good clean, lube and bang away, be safe out there........rifle rounds are a whole lot different than most handgun rounds.

    EDIT- Oh and confirm the rifle is zero'd.
     
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  16. A motorcycle chain has many of the same issues. Debris sticking to it is one. So far it is staying very clean with minimal cleaning needed for carbon residue. The product works well under high and low temps. My issue with some of the products I have played with lately ( frog Lube) is they are left wanting in very cold temps and some corrosion complaints so resistance to corrosion maybe an issue

    When the M16 first came out and had issues in the the late 60s we used a product called dry slide. It worked pretty well on the carrier group and was pretty dry to put on and it left a film. I am curious to see if this is similar although a chain care product


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  17. WoodenPlank

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    Zero it, lube it, shoot the crap out of it. If it doesn't run, post here and we will try to help you un-**** it.

    The bit in bold sounds a lot like how SLIP 2000 functions. It leaves the carrier with a slightly "wet" look, even after the fluid itself has dried out.
     
  18. bmoore

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    OP quality mags have been mentioned and cannot be stressed enough. My cousin has a Bushy that shipped with a crap mag and immediately caused failures to feed. Pmags and GI mags had it running with just a mag swap. Magpul Pmags are high quality mags and cheap (for you) I live in the great CA so I have to pay 23 dollars for a 10 round mag.
     
  19. WoodenPlank

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    Sorry, I had to...




    The two most common issues with AR-15s not running well, IMO, are mags and bolt carrier groups. In the latter case, either not lubed enough (or improperly), or otherwise defective/out of spec.
     
  20. bmoore

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    Hey thats not funny! Bullet buttons, 10 round caps, no CCW. Arghhhhhh. I did take my Utah/AZ CCW class yesterday and it was a blast. The wifes family is in Scottsdale so it was a great reason to snag an LC9 and my permit. Ok thread de-reailment over, carrry on OP.