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Anyone try "minishells" in their shot gun?

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by Z71bill, May 14, 2010.

  1. Z71bill

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    I will most likely just stick with works for HD - 0,00,000 buckshot out of a basic 2 3/4 inch shell -

    But I saw these minishells the other day - and it got me thinking -

    http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/Bro...categoryId=19461&categoryString=653***9217***

    I have a Winchester Ranger 120 (basic model 1200) that I have not shot in years.

    Have been thinking about adding a LONG mag tube extension to it so it would hold 10 rounds of 2 3/4 shells in the tube.

    So what would that be 15-16-17 rounds of these little buggers. :wow:

    Bring on the zombies - :cool:

    My only concern is the possible wear on the mag spring. :whistling:
     
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  2. I have bought some just for kicks and they fed fine in my 590A1's but not in my 870's.
     


  3. Old topic here on GT. Mixed success was found.
     
  4. stopatrain

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    The only thing they worked in was my double barrel.
     
  5. Z71bill

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    I read they don't do real well out of an 870 - I will be using a Winchester :dunno:

    Anyone know why the feed in some guns and not others?
     
  6. Z71bill

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    What other gun(s) did your try?
     
  7. Old Guard Dog

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    They don't work well in Mossberg 500s either. The 1 3/4" loaded length seems too short, and if you don't cycle perfectly, one will stovepipe. Not a good thing in HD situation. I have loaded my own 2 1/4" shells and have good results in pump guns. I haven't tried them in an auto-loader, but don't believe they will cycle reliably since a load them pretty light, with 1 oz of buckshot. The extra round in the mag is nice, and the recoil is light. I think perfect for in-home distances.
     
  8. Aceman

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    Whether or not they shoot - has anyone actually shot anything with them?
     
  9. Shot a couple of squirrels with my sxs and single shot shotgun.
     
  10. Bullman

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    I have done some reading on this and from what I have heard (no actual experience) they actually cycle the best in a Winchester out of the major brands of shotguns. The Mossbergs were second, and they didn't recommend them for Remingtons at all. I heard that you could improve the Mossbergs by modifying the shell lifter by lengthening the the stub in the middle of the lifter.
     
  11. El_Ron1

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  12. Bullman

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    I guess so. Carry a lot of a little or carry a little of a lot when it comes down to it.
     
  13. Free Radical

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    My 870 absolutely would NOT feed them. In fact, I had to disassemble it to get them out. Those things were designed for double barreled shotties.
     
  14. The 1300 works great with them, though I would only byt the slugs. They are a lot cheaper than the buckshot rounds and, I think, probably more effective. About the equivalent of a 20 gauge slug, but with less recoil. Standard "2-3/4'" shells are actually between 2.35 and 2.6", so you are actually looking at an increase in capacity of 40-60% in a given gun. It does make a shotgun much more user friendly for women or kids, though.
     
  15. MTPD

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    What good are they??? If you need a shotgun for self-defense or hunting you want the most stopping power you can get with acceptable recoil = 2 3/4" full-power OO or OOO Buck.
     
  16. I'd say they are great for women and young people. Personally, I stick with standard shells for defense, but I think they have their (niche) role.
     
  17. Z71bill

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    :dunno:

    Long story

    http://www.fourten.org.uk/mini_shells.pd

    First, the Major owns a Winchester “Ranger” pump gun
    which is a basic Winchester Model 1200/1300. We tried the Minishells in the Ranger and they worked flawlessly.

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    As noted, the slug load uses a roll crimp and the fired length of the shell appears a trifle shorter than
    the other two shells, almost exactly 1 5/8 inches. I pulled the load from one shell and found the slug
    to be a smooth-sided, hollow base projectile .692 inches in diameter, .630 inches long, and weighing
    381 grains. As 7/8 ounce is 382.8 grains, this is as close as it gets.
    The wad is a solid based affair shaped so that the front end fits inside the slug’s hollow base. The
    bottom side is slightly dished, but not cupped. Weighing 34 grains, it is rather heavy. I recovered one
    slug fired into a shale bank that still had the wad in place and I recovered one wad without its slug.
    Whether they separated in flight or whether the impact displaced them, I cannot tell.
    The powder charge was 25 grains of some type of ball powder, but I have no way to identify it.
    I fired five slugs over the chronograph, three with an old Ithaca Deerslayer with 20 inch slug barrel
    and two from my old 870 with Poly-Choke. The average velocity at ten feet was 1060 feet per
    second (fps) for an energy of 953 ft. lbs. Four of five slugs, two from each gun, landed in a group of
    four inches at point of aim. The fifth landed two inches higher but that was shooter error.


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    Maybe the mini slugs would be a good HD round out of my Ranger?

    7/8 ounce slug = good ( 382 GR "bullet")

    1,060 FPS = good

    953 FT pounds = good

    Consider a 230 GR 10 MM DoubleTap = 640 FT pounds out of a Glock 20.:cool:
     
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  18. FiveFive6ix

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    They worked perfectly in my benelli supernova tactical. Like others, I just have them for the hell of it...not for home defense.
     
  19. stillGHILLIE

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    No go in the 870, my BPS and Weatherby pump feed them fine. I had someone give me 15 of the slugs, and 100 rounds of the bird shot. I have only played with them at the range. The mini slugs will pop a gallon jug full of water at 40 yards pretty hard, but I don't know that I would trust them for anything else.
     
  20. Aceman

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    Ok - has anyone shot anything that you couldn't kill with a stick....