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anybody know about wolf mil classic hp 8m3?

Discussion in 'The Kalashnikov Klub' started by m87, Feb 19, 2010.

  1. m87

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    Haven't found the answer to this after searching the net. This topic came up a few months ago on AR15, but it was never resolved. The Military Classic used to come with the 8m3 bullet, which was apparently a decent hunting load. The new rounds don't come with red sealer, and some boxes don't say "mil spec" on them anymore, so the question came up: are they still using this particular bullet?

    Basically, I'd like to know if it's worth seeking out these in particular, and sometimes paying a little more for them. Otherwise, I'll stick with whatever Wolf or Barnual rounds are cheapest.
     
  2. my762buzz

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    Military Classic still uses the 8m3.
    I recently used some to kill a water jugg.
    Only the 3rd shot in the video is 8M3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGB5YB9f15Q

    I would say its very effective on deer. Most reports of it used on deer
    I have seen indicate it does not exit bambi and makes a nasty wound tract.
     

  3. indiegrind

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    how long ago did you buy this wolf and from where? Does it have the red sealant. I'm interested as well?
     
  4. my762buzz

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    The newer military classic has the sealant and unfortunately has the polyperformance gray coating. Its the same bullet. I got some a few months ago. However, that is subject to change month by month because Wolf is a marketing enterprise that changes its offerings according to what they have available from Russia. Always ask the vendor what they have at that time.
    I still have some saspan 8m3 from long ago.


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  5. my762buzz

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    Ableammo has it pictured without sealant. Maybe its changed again,

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  6. m87

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    Yeah, none of the Mil Classic I've bought in the last 4 months or so has had red sealant. Is there any way to tell if it's the 8m3 by looking at it (w/out pulling the bullet, which I don't know how to do)? Maybe with a magnifying glass or something. I did look closely, no magnification, and didn't see any serrations or whatever you call the pre-cuts petals on the front of the bullet.
     
  7. my762buzz

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    Yes, the hollow point should be much wider than a typical wolf black box hp or bear hp. Its actually the widest hollow point opening I ever seen in any Russian ammo variety. A big clue is if the bullet weight is 124 grain. Typical wolf hp is 122, bear hp is 123, 8m3 is 124 grain.

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  8. Kalmah

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  9. Spinnerblade

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    A year or two ago I read you could bend the end of a paper clip and stick it in the end of the HP and feel the ridges on the 8m3 bullet, the regular bullet is smooth. Worked for me at that time. Patrick
     
  10. Xenogy

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    I pulled the bullets on some various Wolf Military Classic 124gr HP ammo and noticed some changes. I don't have any of this ammo from any years other than 2006 and 2010, so I'm not sure when the changes occurred. I have just been sitting on my case of the good stuff and blasting the rest. The obvious changes have been going from a lacquered sealed case (2006-2007) to a Polymer sealed case (2008-2009) to a Polymer non-sealed case (2009?-2010). I may not be perfect on those time-lines so they are approximate. I pulled samples from my original 2006 lot and also a mid 2010 and late 2010 lot. Here is what I got.

    With the newer production ammo, the bullets appear to have the 8M3 tip with pre-failed cuts. Jacket at the tip appears to be of the same thickness across different lots. Doesn't appear to have changed there. Where I noticed the change is once I pulled the bullet. The 2010 bullets are shorter and lighter weight than 2006. The bullets on the newer production ammo are on average 2gr (grains) lighter than the 2006 ammo we have seen alot of testing from. I also noticed a thicker heel on the jacket of the newer production bullets.

    Another thing I have been reading is reports of the newer Wolf Military Classic ammo running atleast 50-75fps slower than the older ammo. Powder charges are generally very consistent with this line of ammo. However the powder charge measurements varied from one lot to another. The 2010 lots I tested, one was half a grain lighter than the 2006 ammo, while another (newer) 2010 lot was on par with the 2006 powder charge.

    I have only seen one test with the 2010 ammo. It was shot into a questionable media. Some retail stuff I had never heard of before. The bullet expanded and had minimal fragmentation. Not the usual fragmentation I have seen with my 2006 LOT ammo and the Sapsan 8M3 stuff. I'm wondering if that thicker heel on the bullet makes it expand rather than fragment.

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  11. m87

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    Very interesting. Thanks.

    Another interesting round out is the Hornady ballistic tip. Their 7.62 x 39 used to come in V-max flavor, but it is now SST, which is supposed to have less fragmentation and a more controlled expansion with more penetration. Depending on your needs, this could be better or worse than the V-max.