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Any reason to get TX CHL if I already have FL non-res CHL?

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by F14Scott, Jul 25, 2012.


  1. F14Scott

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    I got a Florida non-resident CHL while I lived in Illinois, not that it did me any good there.

    I've moved to Texas, where the FL CHL appears to give me all the benefits of the TX CHL. Also, it is good for 7 vice 5 years, costs less originally, cost less to renew, requires fewer training hours originally, and requires no training hours to renew.

    Now, if I were to get a Texas CHL, I would pick up five states (CO, SC, WI, MN, MI) that my FL n-r doesn't cover. But, that's a lot of work and money for some added coverage, far away.

    Of course, the Texas training includes all the local laws, such as "stand your ground," 30.06, 51%, etc. That might be worth the price of admission.

    My question is, am I missing anything? Is there any legal distinction between the two CHLs from a practical standpoint? Any reason to have the TX CHL that I haven't thought of?
     

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    L/E in Texas know what a Texas CHL looks like. Most would not know what a Florida handgun license would look like.

    This might cause some problems with l/e that does not recognize the Florida license.

    Get the Texas CHL.
     

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    i think you have to have a texas CHL if you live in texas
     
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    Mad.Gunsmith is corect.
    Once you extablish Tex rexidency, DL must be aquired within (?30 days) and Texas does not accept Non-Resident CHL's posessed by residents. This came about due to the ease of getting a Utah permit and the Low fee. Too many folks tryed to beat the system and Texas put a stop to it. don't forget to change the address on your NoN-Resident CHL.

    Also Once you start the process remember don't carry till you get your new CHL. But, You can keep a concealed handgun in your car loaded and ready to go!
     
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    I have read several internet posts stating the same thing you did, but have been unable to find a legal reference. Respectfully, can you cite your source?

    And thanks for the reminder on the address change. It can be done online, but provides no mechanism for getting a new card; the change is in the Florida computer only. If I want a new card, I have to mail Florida a notarized letter that my original card is lost or destroyed. They will then send me a new card. Interestingly, since 2010, Florida no longer lists addresses on their CHL cards.

    http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/license/changes.html
     
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    To me, this is just common sense.

    *IF* you're right and you can carry on a Florida CCW, then you'll be fine.

    *IF* your'e right, wrong, or someone thinks you're wrong, and you're found to be carrying on a Florida CCW, you could be in for quite a ride. If state law is this ambiguous on the issue, you could be facing a huge hassle. Not to mention possible jail time, possibly even losing your gun rights if things ultimately don't go your way.

    I can't believe a rational person would think there would be any alternative to just getting a Texas CHL and avoiding any possible issues. Even if this were legal in Indiana (and it's not), I'd still get an Indiana permit.
     
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    I Have contacted a CHL instructer and will follow up.
    Your's deal is a little strange as it was Issued as a Resident license...

    Ofcoarse you could also contact DPS Handgun License division Phone number on their Web site but be perpared for a long wait!

    glad we picked up another law abiding Texas gun owner.
     
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    I think I would contact DPS directly for an opinion on this, rather than an instructor.

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    My CHL instructer is also a Lawyer so I didn't get a streight answer. So I'm guessing a Phone call is in order.

    If You get the streight skinny from the state ( DPS) let us know.
     
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    HA! Isn't it funny how everyone always says, "don't talk to Internet yahoos; talk to a lawyer." Yet, lawyers are almost as prone to platitudes and sandbagging as the rest of us.

    Yes, as someone suggested, getting a TX CHL would certainly be the safest route. But, if a NR FL CHL is perfectly legal for me to hold and use, then I might consider skipping the cost and hassle of maintaining two CHLs.

    As far as I can tell, NR FL CHLs are completely legal in TX, whether one is a Texas resident or a non-Texas resident. Despite prolonged attempts to find such legislation (in the face of much rumor, speculation, and general internet yapping), I have found no law that contradicts the preceding sentence. If anyone can produce such a law, I would be very interested to see it. Until then, I will assume that it doesn't exist; I will not take a statement as valid without proof backing it up. (This is not a swipe at anyone, since I recognize that many people will offer opinions with a much lower standard of proof than I am requiring.)

    I'll even make it fun. A buck (and much more importantly, bragging rights) says no such law exists. Any takers?
     
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    i know that 250 is allot of Cash to just get the TX CHL but how much is going to cost if you get arrested because you don't have it?

     
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    PM me and I will forward info on a Texas CHL website that might be of assistance. (I don't know if I am allowed to post a link here.)
     
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    Right now a Texas resident can carry in Texas on a Florida license, however that could change in the 2013 legislative session, so why take the chance, get the Texas CHL.
     
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    Legally, I don't see a reason not to carry on the Florida license. Practically, I recommend getting the license from the state you live in. If you are ever required to interact with the police, there is less confusion. Police don't seem to like non-standard stuff. I might wait until my Florida license expired though.
     
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    I would say get it to be included in the number of voters with a CHL. If the price could be reduced, I am sure more than 2.5% of Texans would have the CHL.
     
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    RE: CHL - Other
    From: DONOTREPLY_RSD <DONOTREPLY_RSD@dps.texas.gov>
    To: rj33rb <rj33rb@aol.com>
    Date: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 3:22 pm
    As long as your license is valid you can carry concealed in Texas.



    Texas Department of Public Safety
    Regulatory Services Division
    (512) 424-7293, Direct
    RSD_Customer_Relations@dps.texas.gov
    www.dps.texas.gov


    This is a copy of the email response I got from the Tx DPS after asking if I could carry on an Az CWP while living as a resident in Tx. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a good idea to get a Tx CHL if you qualify for it. There are a lot of LEO's that don't know the law and nothing would stop them from arresting you if they felt like it...
     
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    So the money is an issue with you? What if I were to tell you of a way you can get 50% off them damned fees, would you be interested? Would it make all that work to get...but wait, there's more!!

    What if I could show you how you could get around that pesky, time consuming range instruction requirement, would you be interested?

     
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    Don't forget the gun free zones around schools. You can't carry in these areas unless you have a CHL from Texas... You can also skip the NICS background check when purchasing firearms with a Tx CHL...
     
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    Just get a Texas CHL... It's 11 hours of (in my first class anyway) light napping (not by me), malfunctioning handguns (not mine), a challenging course of fire (I am confident I could pass by throwing bullets at the target), not 1 but 2 instructors that bickered like an old married couple, and so many smoke,bathroom,drink,food,stretch your legs,etc breaks that added up to almost half the time spent there. Admittedly this was many moons ago and the process has surely been upgraded and smoothed out. But I felt safer when it was over and I was out of range of some of my "classmates" who did not demonstrate confidence inspiring control.


    Thankfully my renewals have been much better...my last one had 2 hours of the instructor ending every other sentence with "keep your loaded handguns secure in your home and out of reach of curious children" which seemed out of place at first but I knew the tragic story was coming...After the brief range portion of the show he laid out his tragic personal story and we had another couple of awkward hours before we were cut loose.

    As much as it sounds like I'm complaining, I'm not. Years after these classes I still remember not just the funny moments, but lots of the information dispensed as well. The course is long, which leads to lots of "filler" but the fact that Texas has lots of unique gun laws and there is ample time to be informed and discuss them. For the local knowledge alone (not to mention the potential entertainment) it is a good use of $250 ish... Plus, next to a Stetson and nice boots...nothing says "I'm a Texan" like a good ol Texas CHL. :supergrin: