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Any purists in here?

Discussion in 'The Kalashnikov Klub' started by Glockster_221, Feb 6, 2010.

  1. I'm one of them when it comes to AKs.

    There's nothing quite like Rosewood furniture on an AK.

    On that note, I would like to purchase a Russian-produced, super high quality AK with dark wood (Rosewood) furniture. I know Arsenal is an excellent importer of AKs, but I don't think they import dark-wooden AKs, only the blond crap, as far as I am aware.

    Are there any other good importers out there that import directly from Russia? Also, please give me some price points.

    Thanks.
     
  2. CarlosC

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    By purist I thought you meant to keep the AK in its original configuration. I assume you mean just put wood on it, right?

    Anyway, your inquiry is sincere, but you need to know a few things. Arsenal is the only importer of Russian AKs right now. Those AKs come into the US and are modified - per federal requirement - to comply with 922r, a law that basically says no more than 10 of the 16 parts in the AK can be foreign. As part of 922r, Arsenal installs plastic furniture made in the US on the AKs in any one of several colors. The blonde wood furniture is used strictly on the Bulgarian AKs, not the Russian AKs.
    If you want a Russian AK in the configuration you specify, you'll need to buy an Arsenal Russian AK and then put some wood on it yourself. I would suggest Ironwood Designs as they make superior quality AK furniture in a variety of woods.
     


  3. Glocker08

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    Check out Lancaster Arms. I'm not sure what build of AK they are, but they have some of the most gorgeous "Russian Red" furniture I've ever seen on their rifles.
     
  4. CarlosC

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    The Lancasters I have seen and held were Romanian kits, but nicely done. I believe they still have Polish kits for their underfolders.
     
  5. markieboy

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    :agree: They have some really nice work!

    CarlosC, what type of wood would you suggest to have that authentic Russian look? I'm leaning towards the laminate birchwood. But I heard it's more difficult to stain that regular birchwood. What are your thoughts?
     
  6. El_Ron1

    El_Ron1 AAAAAAAAGHHH!!!

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    Where do they make pallets out of rosewood?
     
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  8. CarlosC

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    Andy, very nice gun...I'm curious, what is the origin of the kit used to build your Lancaster??
     
  9. Thanks a lot, I didn't know any of that..:wavey:

    Thanks. :)

    :shocked: Umm.. that is just beautiful...
     
  10. What's the difference between a stamped receiver and a milled one?
     
  11. Glockdude1

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    How about a milled Polytech?
    [​IMG]

    At today's prices you should be able to find one like mine, under $1800ish.

    No, it is not for sale.

    :cool:
     
  12. now thats a beautiful example of an ak47, thick barrel, milled receiver, wider fsb. beautiful!
     
  13. CarlosC

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    If you think bout it, you pretty much answered your own question...:supergrin:

    A stamped receiver is made by stamping, then bending, a sheet of steel into the receiver shape. A milled receiver starts as a chunk of steel which is them machined (milled) into the receiver shape.

    The very first AK-47 was actually stamped. The Russians had difficulty with consistent heat treatment, so they had to temporarily switch to milling the receiver. It was easy for them to do this because they had a ton of milling machinery left over from WW-2 and before. Once they worked out the problems with the heat treating, they went back to the stamped receiver and renamed the AK-47 into the AKM.

    Here is the first version of the AK-47 with a Type-1 receiver
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    Here is the second version of the AK-47 with a Type-2 (milled) receiver
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    Here is the third version of the AK-47 with a Type-3 (milled) receiver
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    After that, they went to the AKM stamped receiver. There are several versions of the basic AKM stamped receiver, but they're essentially the same. Here is an AKM type 4a receiver
    [​IMG]

    Keep in mind that within the receiver types, there are sub-types:
    1A - AK-47 fixed stock
    1B - AK-47 underfolder
    2A - AK-47 fixed stock
    2B - AK-47 underfolder
    3a - AK-47 fixed stock
    3b - AK-47 underfolder
    4a - AKM fixed stock
    4b - AKM underfolder
    4c - AKM fixed stock with an accessory rail
    4d - AKM with an accessory rail and a latch for a side-folding stock
     
  14. CarlosC

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    Seattle206's AK is a Chinese AK-47 with a type 3a receiver.

    As a rule of thumb, AK-47s are easy to spot because of the receiver. Notice in the pictures I posted above how the AK-47 lacks rivets along the side, while the AKM has rivets. The AK-47 also has a milled depression just above the magazine well where the AKM simply has a dimple. AK-47s also have thicker barrels, longer FSBs, and the bayonets attach to the FSB as opposed to the gas block in the AKM. Other subtle differences include a series of holes drilled into the AK-47's gas tube that are nonexistent in the AKM and an 800m sight. Finally, AK-47s use smooth receiver covers while AKMs have ribs.

    Disclaimer: the above is a rule of thumb, but there are plenty of exceptions. The Chinese, Bulgarians and the Yugoslavians use thicker AK-47 barrels in their AKMs and the wider FSBs, for example. Some AKMs have sights that don't even go to 800m. Bulgarians use AK-47 receiver covers on some of their AKMs. There are also a mix of AK-47 and AKM parts on different receivers.
     
  15. adamg01

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    I know I might of asked you this all ready Carlos. Is my Mak90 with the thumbhole stock most likely not legal under 922r?
     
  16. Nicoroshi

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    adamg01.
    922(r) deals specifically with the amount of the rifle that is imported.
    As CarlosC points out there are 16 parts to a stamped receiver AK.
    The law is 'No more than 10 imported parts'
    If your rifle doesn't posses some of the 16 parts then the amount which needs to be US made declines.
    Example:
    If your rifle doesn't have a muzzle device then it only has 15 parts which would mean you need 5 US made ones to be in compliance with 922(r).
    Same goes for a milled receiver build as one of the parts is the receiver, and one is the front trunnion which a milled receiver rifle lacks.
    There are many easy parts that can be changed to keep the original look of the rifle, and remain in compliance with 922(r).
    Examples would be trigger, hammer, disconnector, gas piston,and muzzle device.
    Most all rifles I have seen for sale have a US made receiver. Using US made magazine body, follower, and floor plates would also gain you 3 US made parts.
    So really not that difficult to remain in compliance with 922(r), and keep the original furniture if you'd like.

    Also +1 on Ironwood designs for US made furniture.
    I had some maple made up for one of my builds that not only looks great but fit great as well.
    [​IMG]
     
  17. CarlosC

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    The MAK-90 is legal. It was imported with the thumbhole stock as a sporting rifle.
     
  18. Count me in I love some good wood or well done laminate on an AK.
     
  19. ArmoryDoc

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    I am a purist in most guns. The AK for sure. I have an preban, unaltered, 98% Sile Import Chinese AKM-47S and I can't imagine putting a M4 stock, or a rail on it. Wow. What a travesty.
     
  20. I couldn't agree more.

    Thanks for the info, you seem very knowledgeable. Now let's talk quality. Which version is the better of the 3? Ak(1) Ak(2) or AKM?

    I think what I'm going to do is buy an Arsenal AK and then throw on some Ironwood Designs wood on there. Something in dark wood.

    Thanks a LOT for the info. If you have any more to dispense, please do so.