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any news sa ptc????

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by kcboy, Jun 28, 2004.

  1. kcboy

    kcboy CHEEPUCK.COM

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    just want to know if any of the guys here has had a chance to apply for a ptc esp kakatapos lang gun ban last june10. how much na ba?
     

  2. flyboy 1

    flyboy 1 Sir Yes Sir!!

    I've been seriously considering getting PTC's for my Dad and Uncle, but everything seems unsure at the moment (ongoing pa yung Jaworski-Yap issue). Since the heat of the elections are over, our dear madam GMA might suddenly decide to suspend anew all PTC's (like what happened last year), rendering the hard-earned P10T-P12T you forked out wasted. Might be better to get lang muna short-term PTT's and see how it goes. Just my .02 cents. :)
     
  3. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    good point and lets keep our fingers crossed that other ryan jaworksis never get to hold a firearm again.

    mag-airsoft na lang sila....o di kaya sumpit ;f
     
  4. deenoh

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    Medyo off topic pero tumatama pa rin. I'm reading this book, "Guns, Crimes and Freedom". The book has a lot of arguments why civilians should be allowed to carry their firearms and I'd love to see our Congressmen read it and see that PTCs will be for the benefit of society. In fact, according to the book, concealed carry permits or PTCs (for us Filipinos) is a better crime deterrent as compared to gun bans or any other existing (American) laws.

    Bought the book at Books for Less Greenbelt if anyone is interested.
     
  5. Valor1

    Valor1 Pro Paingiver

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    My father often told me, "mahirap paliwanagan ang ayaw makinig." I don't know with the authorities.
     
  6. batangueno

    batangueno Shock Resist

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    Angelo Reyes is the new DILG secretary, anybody knows if he is gun friendly?
     
  7. glck17

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    I saw him once in an episode of shootfest before participating in a level 2 match encouraging gun enthusiasts to be responsible gun owners.;f
     
  8. deenoh

    deenoh

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    Lets all hope and pray that he is much more open minded than the former DILG secretary.
     
  9. jmy

    jmy Still Alive Lifetime Member

    I was at North Star this afternoon and this person from Crame approached me.He asked me if I wanted to apply for a PTC.I asked him on how much shall it cost to get one.He told me that it would cost 11,000.00 Pesos with Non-Appearance.I told him that I'll think it over.Malamang,I won't get it.

    jmy
     
  10. horge

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    I think 11K is about average, with some others charging 20K and up for
    "non appearance". IIRC, the actual receipted fees run to only 4,150.00
    Plug in maybe 3,500 for the paperwork pre-requisites, and then another 2,000 for certain persons at FED, and the balance (in the case of an 11K charge) goes to the outfit/gunshop offering to take care of things.
     
  11. Alexii

    Alexii Janeway Forever

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    I believe paying 11k for a PTC and receiving a receipt of only 4k is akin to digging our own grave. These ogres won't stop jacking up the price if majority of us sanctions this exorbitant, and clear-as-crystal corruption-motivated increases.

    I'm way past being naive when dealing with the Philippine government. I personally witnessed local government officials pocketing at least fifty percent of the medicine funds allocated to their municipality. I bribe MMDA traffic enforcers so as not to inconvenience me. But sometimes one has to stop and evaluate the present level of slime we're all in and find out how much more we can bear the stink until we throw up. Like everything else around us, it has its limitations. And the breaking point keeps going higher and higher as long as the majority sanctions the system.

    This PTC issue is shameful for us Filipino shooters. I feel losing much more than 11k. I feel I'm losing grip on my pride as a Filipino.

    Just a thought, gents.
     
  12. horge

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    Alexii,
    I agree in principle,
    and in a perfect world, principles count for something.
    But I don't know of a country that is free of corruption,
    and in this case (PTCFOR's), the peso value of said 'corruption'
    may be mis-perceived, to excess:

    The whole premise to the offer is 'non-appearance',
    so if grease causes unease, then apply via the normal way.
    You will pay 4,150 for fees and processing at FED, but you will
    wind up paying another 1,000 to 1,500 elsewhere to legally obtain
    other paper pre-requisites, plus travel, etc.

    Now, let's say you decide to hire a 'runner' to legitimately
    wait on PNP-FED to process your application. How much would you pay
    a person daily to do this, for a process that might take several
    weeks?

    In any case, the price tag isn't the issue, if we
    couch this PTCFOR transaction in moral terms:

    You say you've been willing to pay a traffic enforcer to ignore
    your road violations. I've never done that, but I likely will one day.
    A law-breaking driver can be as deadly as an unqualifed CCW-er.
    Whether one pays PNP-FED or the MMDA to ignore a lack of ability,
    or lack of qualification....
    the law is violated and the public is placed at increased risk.
    It's bad juju, long-term... but the short term alternative may
    simply be untenable.

    Where does the line lie, between suffering corruption and abetting it?
    I don't know where the line lies, save on a day-to-day basis.
    Persons of greater affluence and comfort have the luxury of indulging
    more principles than I can.

    Some have no deadlines to meet, and so can afford the delays involved
    when an MMDA traffic cop pulls them over for a violation. Others have
    much more to lose from delay than the cost of a bribe, and so pay up.

    Perhaps there are those who actually need a PTCFOR.
    There are also those who merely want one.
    To the latter, sticking to principles with regard to bribery
    might be an easier choice to make.




    horge
     
  13. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    try nga natin kumuha ng volume discount, BOG style;)

    btw, how long would the ptc's validity be?

    another thing, govt. is thinking of holding a constituent assembly next year (is this the same as a plebiscite?). if that's the case, won't there be another gun ban?
     
  14. jmy

    jmy Still Alive Lifetime Member

     
  15. doctabako

    doctabako Gun Aficionado

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    Yup, PTC's need to be renewed after one year.
    They will be holding a plebiscite once they finish amending the constitution. Isn't the Barangay elections also slated for next year? If this is so, there will definitely be a gun ban :(
     
  16. kcboy

    kcboy CHEEPUCK.COM

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    i personally think that for 11,000pesos for a ptc is reasonable. just image that comes out to be less than 1,000 a month for the privilege to carry a fire arm for protection. i wish i knew who the right people to contact so can get my ptc because yung tagalakad ko is asking 14k from me, i'm just waiting til end og august for gma to gety settled sa pwesto before i have my ptc done. sana makahanap me masmura pa....
     
  17. Alexii

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    I agree that principles count for something in the perfect world; however, its value and the need for it increases tenfold in an imperfect one.

    The whole premise of the PTCFOR is to grant carrying permits to qualified and supposedly level-headed individuals. This non-appearance option is a highway pass for affluent drug junkies who have no business within ten feet of a firearm. The inviolate raison d'etre of the whole program is violated by this option alone. And yes, I have a problem with that.
     
  18. Alexii

    Alexii Janeway Forever

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    Those who want one actually perceive they need one.;)
     
  19. horge

    horge -=-=-=-=- Lifetime Member

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    At the gunshow, the line between want and need seemed to magically disappear fo me too, albeit with regard to firearm purchases :)


    As for PTCFOR's, we'll simply have to agree to agree.
    ;f


    horge