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Any Border Patrol? Question ref, training.

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by Sgt127, Jun 26, 2012.

  1. Merkavaboy

    Merkavaboy Code-7A KUZ769

    Here's a thought.

    If after all this on-line training that even the LEO's were required to take (and thus issued a "certificate of completion"), some LEO later actively engages a "active shooter" situation, could some pencil-neck bean-counter Admin type try and discipline the LEO for failing to abide by the training that they were just certified as taking (I.e.: flailed to run away, hide and/or call 911)?

    This reminds me of the completely worthless NIMS FEMA on-line training that all govt employees were required to complete some years ago.

  2. CJStudent

    CJStudent Fenced In

    Nov 3, 2005
    That's the exact issue the USBP union brought up, and are pretty irritated about, it seems.
  3. walkin' trails

    walkin' trails

    Apr 24, 2005
    I had read an article about the Border Patrol Union raising a valid concern about how DHS was going to view an off duty agent intervening in an active shooter scenario. If some numb____z is making even enforcement personnel view a video aimed at non LE sheep, then I think there are some real idiots in the system.
  4. Hack

    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

    BOP employees who are LE, for the most part have had to put up with this type of attitude for awhile now, (run; hide; quiver; call 911), because of liability oriented weenies and pencil pushers. See how you like it? I'm thinking it is going to get worse before it gets better, for all fed LE agencies.
  5. CJStudent

    CJStudent Fenced In

    Nov 3, 2005
    Heaven forbid we hurt a hair on their little heads.... :upeyes:
  6. Nanuk


    Sep 13, 2009
    At home
    I retired from the BP this year. I had to take that little mind numbing training before I retired, ya know competed by this date.....

    BP agents are serious type A individuals who are going into the fight. That is DHS's way of saying if you dumb ***** BP agents kill anyone during an active shooter its your *****.

    About 9 years ago working plain clothes on the way home in my G ride ( ya take home ride) I was passed by the SO running code so naturally I follow them. Turns out to be a hostage situation. I roll up and ask the on scene commander if I can help, he knew me and said "ya take the south perimeter". Once there I decide I should call my boss and let him know what I am in the middle of. Immediately he says "Don't get involved!", I told him "too late, I was merely telling that I AM involved"

    It has been getting worse by the day, the last 2 years I would get physically ill thinking about going to work.
  7. Sgt127


    Nov 5, 2002
    I think it was G Gordon Liddy talking to a young man who wanted to get into the FBI. He was talking about the oral boards...Liddy told him there might be a scenario where you are in a hotel, you are an FBI Agent and right outside the window, you see a gunman doing an armed robbery. What do you do? He told the kid, if you want to get hired, heres what you tell them you would do:

    "As a highly trained Federal Agent, I would Get the best possible description of the suspect, his hair, eye color, clothing and the type of gun, I would immediatly contact the local authorities and advise them of the crime in progress and relay as much information to them and continue to observe the incident giving them real time updates."

    Liddy said the one thing you better not say is that you would go out there with a badge and a gun and stop the crime.

    He further said, once you get hired, you do what you think is right, but, remember the guys and girls on that board are NOT the kind that would get into a shootout and, you need to respond accordingly.
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2012
  8. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

    May 4, 2003
    Just as a counterpoint, my oral board tactical question ended up with me facing a "teenage kid" armed with a gun. At the end of the board, I was told in no uncertain terms by the screeners that the bad guy's age, gender and so on were not factors to worry about in deadly force decisions, and I was no use to anyone if I got myself killed.

    All things considered, I like where I work.
  9. merlynusn


    Nov 16, 2007
    Maybe that's why I failed my FBI Phase II (oral boards).
  10. SHOOTER629

    SHOOTER629 Let's Roll ! CLM

    Oct 8, 2003
    I had to take that stupid on line continue on each page then click print certification... But it was great for a resume...LOL :rofl:
  11. i8547

    i8547 Without Equal

    Apr 9, 2003
    CONUS - mostly
    I am a BPA and currently instructing at the USBP Academy. I can assure you this is not what we are teaching. As others have stated, this was some check-the-boxes online-based training that had to be completed DHS wide as CYA.
  12. SHOOTER629

    SHOOTER629 Let's Roll ! CLM

    Oct 8, 2003
    Glad my friends in BP avoided this joke of a requirement...

    i8547, pm me, i'm trying to find a former marshal who went back to BP, maybe you can help me with that. I think he's in Nogales?
  13. Newcop761

    Newcop761 CLM

    Jan 29, 2001
    In Existential Crisis
    BP let an agent that jumped to the FAMS come back? Shocking.
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2012
  14. SHOOTER629

    SHOOTER629 Let's Roll ! CLM

    Oct 8, 2003
    Not just one, more then a few.:whistling: