What is your RAS? Was it: Time of night? Him asking if he's being detained? The presence of a GPS unit? The presence of a laptop? Him not volunteering about his carry status (which may or may not be required in your state, I'd guess it is NOT)? How exactly do you "make his night longer?" How will you "get him our of his car" if he is making it clear he does not wish to be "detained?" A trick? A lie? Emotional appeal? Direct verbal pressure? (all of which are allowed by law afaik) How exactly can you legally justify a Terry Frisk in that situation, without being a liar or infringing on his rights? If he had politely said "I will accept the citation, anything beyond that please speak to my attorney, Mr. XYZ at 555-555-5555" would that had made his night longer too? In our Constitutional Republic, how can that sort of request legitimately raise a red flag? ~Genuinely curious. I assume you will say the RAS is 1) recent vehicle break ins. 2) He does not live in the area. Well, that would extend RAS to a whole metric crap load of people driving down various roads in America. I can't envision a court upholding that benchmark as establishing RAS. And did the break ins occur that very night? Or did they occur last week? Last month? Last year? The temporal relationship between the break ins and your stop could likely be very important (just a WAG) Regarding those break ins? Is there a suspect description? A vehicle description? Anything at all that would potentially link THIS specific peaceful drive to THOSE crimes? A lack of suspect description would likely be VERY important in your inability to establish legitimate RAS if you're trying to use that as the basis (this might depend a lot on state case law though). Now if you saw a crowbar, a slim jim, a screw driver, etc in his back seat... then you'd have a reasonable suspicion. But a lap top and GPS in the year 2012 are both ordinary contents of a average vehicle -- imho. I think you would need to have an active report for a stolen lap top and gps, for a car prowl that occurred in that neighborhood, to use those items to get RAS. And no I would not argue that with you, personally I'd just say talk to my attorney. BTW in MY state, the mere presence of a legally carried firearm, without any other escalating factors, would NOT give you RAS or grounds for a Terry Stop. But... should I be fearful of pointing that out an officer, in case he might "make my night longer?" It's also not lawful for an officer to seize a lawfully carried firearm in my state, assuming no other (real) suspicious activity. (ok, this paragraph is a little tease but it's also true) This is the sort of neat stuff one learns about on www.opencarry.org Almost always with links to case law, or state law that clearly spell things out. Wanna kill these ads? We can help!