Some of the responses in another thread reminded me of a question that's floated around my head for a very long time. I've never actually found an answer. Its about faith. And it's about lack of faith. Some of the devout here show an amazing (to me) amount of faith in their chosen belief. Viewed from my perspective you seem to be able to rationalize almost any argument put to you that calls into question the validity of any part of your religion. Almost no rational, logical (to me) argument is ever conceded, never have I seen a theist here back off or say "yeah, that's definitely a problem". JBnTX wrote: which seems to indicate certain beliefs to me: 1. People who believe are somehow better than those that don't. (Wheat) 2. That those who do not believe are flawed, rebellious, childish, obstinate or just plain evil. (Chaff) 3. That there is a way to, for want of a better way to phrase it, "trick" yourself into believing. (turn chaff into wheat) I tried. I really did. I went to church, I spoke to Pastors and peers. I prayed, I sang the hymns and was baptized. For more than a few years I tried. I felt like a fraud. So I spoke again to anyone whom thought they could help. I told of my lack of faith. I explained to them that from the beginning I hadn't believed, that my mind would simply not allow me to. I told them how awful it feels to be fooling them all by mouthing the words and trying to find that peace I had been promised. I told them of the self recrimination, on one hand, I want to believe in God, on the other, my head will not let me and IF there is a God he knows that I'm not truly doing what has been asked of me. So no matter how hard I try, a God I really don't believe in still knows I do not believe. And as far as I could tell, "Fake it till you make it" really isn't an option. I was told that Satan placed those doubts in my mind, that all people have doubts and placing my faith in God would remove them. Great! Back to square one. I tried again, later in life.......with the same results. I came to the conclusion that I was simply not wired to have an unshakeable faith in anything. Which led to the conclusion that I was somehow flawed. Broken. Patience, I'm rambling I know. This is kinda a flow of thought post. Anyway, For more than a few years I simply accepted as fact that there was something wrong with me, that I was less than other people. That even though I belonged to the same species, I wasn't really a person. At the time, I had never known anyone who claimed Atheism. I knew what it is, I knew that I, by definition, was one. But I considered it a problem with me. Some while back I quit that. I realized few things. If, I told myself, God did exist, and had caused me to exist, than he made me this way. Even if he didn't actively say "I'm gonna wire Lone Wolf's brain so he is physiologically incapable of believing in me." he allowed me to be born and live an existence that virtually guarantees that outcome. That caused me to question his existence on more than a surface level, before, I had simply not been able to accept for fact that he existed. A passive disbelief if you will. Now I guess you would say, that because of all the ruminating I've done on the subject (18 years in the cab of a truck on lonely, dark roads will make you do some introspection) that I have a more active disbelief. So, I'm gonna get to my question since all the other thoughts in my head would be taken offensively. In your opinion. Are those of us unable to believe.... broken? If we honestly are just unable to accept what others so easily embrace are we doomed? If our minds simply work in ways that will not allow us to have a "come to Jesus" moment, are we condemned? I'm not asking what the church says, I don't wanna know what you think you should say, I wanna know your thoughts, keeping in mind what I said before. That there are people (many more than will admit it) that simply cannot accept any religion. Hope this made sense. I'm recovering from my first experience with a (possible) migraine. Wanna kill these ads? We can help!