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An article for the .380 poo pooers

Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by mikekj, Jan 25, 2012.

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  1. mikekj

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    http://www.abaris.net/info/ballistics/handgun-stopping-power.htm

    "380 ACP - The top rounds in this category were the Federal 90 grain Hydra-Shok and the CorBon 90 grain JHP+P which both rated a 70% one shot stop rating. While Federal 90 grain FMJ ammo was used in a whopping 245 shootings, it only achieved 55% one shot stops."

    45 ACP - This caliber has been around for almost 100 years and is still the top rated round. More police agencies are using this round due to its proven stopping ability. The large diameter, heavy bullet is the basis for the "momentum" theory of stopping power however actual results in shootings show a mix of "light and fast" and "slow and heavy" rounds. The Remington 185 grain Golden Saber was involved in 148 shootings and caused 142 one shot stops for a 96% rating followed closely by the Federal 230 grain Hydra-Shok which caused 200 one shot stops in 211 shootings for a 95% rating. Eight of the 16 loadings examined rated above 90% one shot stops while 5 others rated in the 80s. The poorest stoppers were the Remington, Federal and Winchester 230 grain FMJ rounds which achieved 62% one shot stops.
     
  2. So from this I read that 230 FMJ .45 acp is still nearly as effective as high tech hollow point +P .380 acp.:popcorn:
     


  3. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    You'll have a hard time finding very many people that advocate .45 hard ball for anything other than military use. 70% OSS rating under M&S data is pretty poor for JHP, especially when plenty of top loads in 9mm, .40, .45 and 357SIG rate well over 90%.
     
  4. Gregg702

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    70% for the best performing 380 jhp vs 96% for the best performing 45 jhp. 380 is still a marginal round at best.
     
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  5. snubfan

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    I read the whole thing and I get that "one shot stop" does not equal dropping dead, just incapacitated but all the numbers seem really high to me.
     
  6. mikekj

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    Yeah, but how many models of .45's can you conceal in your back (or front) pocket?

    Without printing?

    In running shorts?

    That only weigh ounces, not pounds?

    70% OSS is not too bad. And what about a doubletap. That ups the odds.
     
  7. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    Or that the BG gave up.
     
  8. Gregg702

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    No, but I have a pocketable 9mm, a pocketable .357 mag, and 3 pocketable .38 + P's that are much better man stoppers than any .380ACP.
     
  9. mikekj

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    Remember, these not Grandpa's .380.

    Ammunition has come a long way in the past 20 years.

    I remember when a V6 couldn't climb a hill, and now their turning some real horsepower now.

    New age. New technology.

    Don't judge by bygone standards.
     
  10. Your cell phone belongs in your pocket and pistol on your belt, not vice versa.

    I am 5'10/190 pounds...most common off-duty attire is cargo shorts and polo shirt. Carry gun is 5" Government Model in an IWB holster, spare mag and often a C2 Taser. No printing problem. And if yoou do print, who recognizes it as a gun? Other gun people? Shooter in mall in Utah walked around with half an AK47 hanging out from under his jacket and nobody took notice. Everyone thinks its your cell phone printing
    I can concurr here, but think maybe there are still other choices

    Concealed carry is not about comfort of conveniene, it's about committment. It is an area that I rarely compromise.
     
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  11. Gregg702

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    Ammo might have gotten better, but 38+P, 9mm, .357 mag, and .45 are much better defensive cartridges than .380, still.
     
  12. GlockFish

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    Exactly. How old is that article? 20 years?
     
  13. cowboy1964

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    It's all relative. A .380 beats throwing rocks. But I'd prefer a .45 throwing Gold Dots.

    Do you really want to try to stop a 250 lb muscle-bound felon with a round that only penetrates 8"?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxpHOB132ak"].380 ACP Winchester Ranger T-Series JHP Ammo Test - YouTube[/ame]
     
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  14. USDefender

    USDefender Lay Them Waste!

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    I figure it's like what Deniro said in Ronin-- it's about putting the right 'tools in the toolbox' for the job... [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8Oe9SteE3M"]"I don't know...it's a toolbox..."[/ame]

    If I'm out in the woods, I'm probably gonna have the largest caliber I own in a holster on my belt. But when I'm in town, especially if I'm wearing a suit, sometimes a .380 handgun is better for keeping concealed while I'm in "certain circles."

    I think it was Mas Ayoob who said, "Don't scare the horses." Sometimes, carrying a smaller handgun in .380 helps me not to do that.
     
  15. Berto

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    So what is the Fuller index on .380acp?
     
  16. Lior

    Lior GUNS=FREEDOM

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    1. One shot stops are less common when fired out of guns carried by LEOs against violent felons who are high on drugs at the time of discharge.
    2. Most defensive uses of firearms in the United States are zero shot stops.
    3. Frequently, if one is justified in shooting a person once, one is justified in shooting them multiple times in quick succession, further clouding the stats.

    Do not be misled into believing that the term "one shot stop" is only a matter of terminal ballistics.
     
  17. mikekj

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    How deep inside your felons chest do you think the heart is?

    3 inches, maybe? 4?
     
  18. Bill Keith

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    The Glock 36:cool::cool::cool: