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AN ARMY OUTGUNNED Physics Demands A New Basic Combat Weapon

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  1. Anglin_AZ

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    This article reminds me of that old .280 intermediate round the Brits developed in the late '40's. 'Murica wasn't interested at the time.
     

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    Not going to happen
     
  4. Harper

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    Why not? It sounds like a good cartridge. It'd be decent for deer hunting too.
     
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    Any caliber change would have to encompass all of NATO no matter how much anyone thinks NATO is outdated. Whatever anyone thinks of NATO, we still have many friendly nations under it. Just because it works fine in the AR platform doesn't mean it will work in the various other NATO rifles. The SA-80 comes to mind which took years as well as for H&K to uncluster pluck it. Plus the budget will no longer be there for any new caliber, rifle, or sidearm for years to come.
     
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    Correct. We are so married to the AR and its 5.56mm round that we can't just drop it.

    General MacArthur had the same issue when the M1 Garand was being developed. The rifle was designed for a new .276 cartridge but there were vast stocks of .30-06 ammunition sitting around and he ordered the Garand to be made in .30 cal.
     
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    Military has talking this game for ten years+. I just believe that the old (DOD)guard won't allow anything but M-16s. But the new thinking is a different weapon and caliber.

    Remember the US Army only allowed Springfield Trap-door single shot rifles. But Sitting Bull and friends showed that was a mistake.
     
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    An Army Outgunned? That will come as news to the Army. A gun guy or two in the Army want a cooler new gun. That's about all.

    If they want to change the tactics and marksmanship training to go along, then they might be headed somewhere.
     
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    The M1 Garand was in .276 Pedersen and held 10 rounds, Douglas MacArthur ordered it redesigned in 30-06 to simplify logistics as well as make use of available war stocks and manufacturing capabilities. The same holds true of the 5.56. With the advent of OTM bullets being approved by JAG there is a decent round available for longer ranges. The Army will never wholly switch to a new caliber, but certain units may, special forces have been experimenting with things like this for a while now.
     
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    Simply going to restate NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 2 times a year the military lackies say they want to evaluate some new wing ding rife and cartridge. They never actually buy any of them, they just like to play with the test products.
     
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    I just read about LWRCI's Six8 in GNA. Sounds like it was made to answer this call.

    http://www.lwrci.com/articles/SGNLWRCsix8.pdf

    But I agree that it's probably easier to colonize Mars than change the primary weapon/caliber of the US military. The retooling of production facilities and equipment and associated systems would be enormous and not something Uncle Sam is willing to undertake, especially now that we are facing massive cuts in the DoD budget.

    The .223 works good enough.
     
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    Physics demands it!

    ...too bad no one else does.

    Next...
     
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    Let's worry about producing enough 5.56, before we go running off half cocked about another "new" cartridge.

    Let's get civilian supplies of M193 rolling smoothly first.
     
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    Seems to me ballistics figured little in the adoption of 5.56 ...


    Logistics ruled: How many rounds can you cram in a boxcar ?

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    They still do... and always will.
     
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    I have heard the US Military had 1 billion rounds of .30-06 in stock at that time. When you think of it like that and figure in that this was right before WWII I believe, keeping the same caliber made sense.
     
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    .300 blackout, just need a new barrel in current ARs.
     
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    Why won't it happen?

    Quite literally MILLIONS of M-16 rifles in service.

    BILLIONS on rounds in armories across the Globe.

    Dozen of countries wedded to the 556 platform.

    Millions of magazines, spare parts and accessories and spares in inventory.

    Countless dollars to obsolete what is considered by many to be a perfectly adequate system.

    I just don't see it happening.

    Lastly, if you look at the tables provided in the initial article, the new caliber simply does not offer a compelling enough reason to warrant a system wide re-arm.

    Sorry.

    A closing thought, further consider that the nation is already over 16 TRILLION Dollars in debt...Where would the money come from?...The Chinese...
     
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    6.8 SPC seems like a good solution to me. Then let me have all the 5.56!!!